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Re: What am I missing...

In the Jeep, I think it looks good. In a sports car or higher end lux car, I'd rather not have the wood.

I do like that it will help keep from getting the leather shiny over time from hand oils.

The contrast stitching on the steering wheel in the Overland is a nice touch also compared to the Limited.

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I think the really nice high-grade vinyls are often simply labeled as leather interiors, with a footnote describing what they really are. Some time ago when I looked in to the subject it looked like some of the higher-end synthetics were very nice while requiring less ongoing care and maintenance than animal-hide leather.
In order for an interior to be considered "leather"...some portion of it has to be leather. The more expensive the car, the more of the interior is leather. For instance having just gone from a Laredo X to an Overland, the Overland has a LOT more leather than the Laredo X did. Armrests, etc all leather in the Overland when they were vinyl in the Laredo.

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Automotive leather is not really leather anyway. It's more like particle board with polyurethane on top. "Real" analine leather is too expensive to be in plebeian cars like Jeeps.
Well, it is leather but its coated with a polyurethane coating. Its not really a cost issue, my Lexus has "semi-aniline" leather seats (which are really nice BTW), an issue of durability. The "semi" refers to the fact that the leather is real, drum dyed aniline leather its simply also coated in polyurethane. Uncoated fully aniline leather requires too much care, is prone to fading, it would look like hell in an auto application.

Automotive leather in less expensive cars is actually spray dyed then coated.

If you want to see what it would look like, find a King Ranch F150 or Expedition that has 50,000 miles on it. Seats look like hell. Uncoated fully aniline leather.

Here are a few in the process of being restored:







I like my cars to continue looking new, so I like coated leather interiors.
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Re: What am I missing...

My comment about plebeian leather was sort of tongue-in-cheek, I guess it's hard to deadpan in written communication.

The leather in some of those pics was not maintained very well, but post-restoration still looks fairly good to me. (Edit: the leather in that middle picture is pretty cracked...too far gone) The armrest looks great. IMHO on a truck like the King Ranch you want that well-worn baseball glove look. Those scratches and color variations give it character (and I mean that sincerely, in the best possible way). However like you mentioned it does take regular maintenance to keep it from cracking and many people are not willing to do that.

Coated analine leather like Lexus has is a great middle-ground and I would jump on that in a heartbeat if it were available.
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Re: What am I missing...

Add me to the list of not being too fond of wood on the steering wheel. To make matters worse, on the Summit the wood trim is matte finished open pore, so IMO the high gloss wood on the steering wheel looks completely out of place and inconsistent with the rest of the interior (it's not even the same color as the rest of the wood on the brown interior). I would much prefer an all leather steering wheel.
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Actually, I like the look of the unlined aniline leather aging over time.
Back on topic- the solution, IMO, of the wood section of the wheel getting so hot is to do what I did for years on my fleet cars with plastic steering wheels. On hot days in the sun I draped the small cotton cloth I keep under the seat on top of it.
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Re: What am I missing...

i'm thinking this wood trim trend will die out with the baby boomers. not a single person i know around my age (under 30), wants wood in their car. we see wood trim as an old person luxury item (no offense). remember when they made tvs enclosed in wood cabinets? lol. a nice sleek leather, brushed metal, or carbon fiber trim looks so much better.
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i'm thinking this wood trim trend will die out with the baby boomers. not a single person i know around my age (under 30), wants wood in their car. we see wood trim as an old person luxury item (no offense). remember when they made tvs enclosed in wood cabinets? lol. a nice sleek leather, brushed metal, or carbon fiber trim looks so much better.
I wouldn't generalize that. I'm only 33, and when I was in my 20s I wanted wood in my luxury cars, still do. I like metal trims in sports cars, but in luxury cars I still want wood. This is why options are great...I see no reason not to have optional trims.

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To make matters worse, on the Summit the wood trim is matte finished open pore, so IMO the high gloss wood on the steering wheel looks completely out of place and inconsistent with the rest of the interior
This I agree with, its the same way on my new Overland. In other cars that have wood/leather wheels and a matte wood interior, the wheel is also matte wood.
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This is why options are great...I see no reason not to have optional trims.
it's not optional. it's forced on us on overland models.
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I'm a baby boomer and I don't like wood. (Something sounds wrong here.)
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it's not optional. it's forced on us on overland models.
You have options to purchase other trims. If you don't like the Overland package you can buy a Limited loaded with all the features of the Overland, and an all leather steering wheel.

They can't package these vehicles in every permutation that someone might want, its a mid-level mass produced vehicle. But, they come pretty close.
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