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Need to work on reducing the hitch weight a but the monroe load levelers work great.
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We tow a 17'6' off road caravan here in Australia with our diesel - weighs around 4800lbs loaded to go.
More than happy with the available power and no issues after 8000 miles towing, with an average fuel of 18.4 US mpg when the van has been connected.
Jeep Australia have issued a bulletin stating that a WDH should be used on all available suspensions when towing an ATM over 5000lbs (2268kg).
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Hi John, I have the same vehicle colour and setup as you do in regards the WDH do I need to have the vehicle running when hooking up and attaching the WDH or off so that the QL dosen't make the height adjustment before the WDH is set???
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Hi John, I have the same vehicle colour and setup as you do in regards the WDH do I need to have the vehicle running when hooking up and attaching the WDH or off so that the QL dosen't make the height adjustment before the WDH is set???
Short answer - off and QL disabled.
For the long answer -
I posted this on the australian site http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic...882&start=2060
( on page 104, and if you haven't checked out this thread about the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel on that forum it will keep you going for many happy hours....)

"Forumites will definitely be aware that the WDH debate is still quite healthy........I'm a believer and happily use a HR unit on our WK2 with QL, but how to determine how much weight to use on the bars????
Having towed the same van over 120,000k with several Patrols that did need the WDH to get the back up and push some weight forward, after the initial setup I could judge by the weight on the lever and the snap of the chains pretty much, over the years.
When we took delivery of our new WK2 with QL air suspension, the WDH head finished up the same height as the Patrol - but the ball to axle dimensions were different hence I had to recheck the setup.
As the QL is self levelling it is impossible to do this with the engine running, or even shut off as the thing will start the compressor to self adjust to a "cosmetic level" some time after standing.
I didn't have access to scales, so measurements at the wheel arches were the way to go - and was able to do this by disabling the QL - pressing the up/down buttons together. The Jeep then responded to chain tension as I experimented with different links snapped up.
I didn't change the WDH head angle and finished up one chain link less than the Patrol setup.
Three trips later with the Jeep and over 13000k - more than happy with the way the package tows and handles.
I also found some interesting comments on exactly this here:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...tup-89954.html
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Dasher - likely you will have to start from scratch - check out the other threads regarding WDH on the other forum as well for detailed advice on how to correctly set up a WDH. In particular here: http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30024
- on page 1 of the thread see the answer posted by Cabcar (who for many many years has run a large and very sucessful caravan repair business on the Sunshine Coast in Australia).
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Re: What are you towing?

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Re: What are you towing?

I tow a 4,500 lb (dry) 28 foot travel trailer with a WK2 hemi 4WD. The trailer has two axles and a load equilizing hitch. Hemi power is very ample. Stability is good except some sway occurs when the semi trucks pass or with strong side winds. I try to stay below 65 mph. I opted to install an additional transmission cooler in front of the radiator since transmission temperature would reach 240 degrees on mountain passes in the summer (Arizona). Gas mileage averages about 11 mpg.
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I tow a 4,500 lb (dry) 28 foot travel trailer with a WK2 hemi 4WD. The trailer has two axles and a load equilizing hitch. Hemi power is very ample. Stability is good except some sway occurs when the semi trucks pass or with strong side winds. I try to stay below 65 mph. I opted to install an additional transmission cooler in front of the radiator since transmission temperature would reach 240 degrees on mountain passes in the summer (Arizona). Gas mileage averages about 11 mpg.
In Australia with the diesel engine we get a transmission cooler as part of the package - towing our 4800lb caravan the highest transmission temp I have seen on the EVIC was 180 - climbing a long 14 deg grade on a 95 deg day. You'll likely be jealous of our overall towing consumption with the diesel of 18mpg....
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I tow my 500lb girlfriend around. It really wears on the V6. Man, you guys have some nice toys, I knew I should have gotten the tow hitch
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Re: What are you towing?

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Short answer - off and QL disabled.
For the long answer -
I posted this on the australian site http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic...882&start=2060
( on page 104, and if you haven't checked out this thread about the Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel on that forum it will keep you going for many happy hours....)

"Forumites will definitely be aware that the WDH debate is still quite healthy........I'm a believer and happily use a HR unit on our WK2 with QL, but how to determine how much weight to use on the bars????
Having towed the same van over 120,000k with several Patrols that did need the WDH to get the back up and push some weight forward, after the initial setup I could judge by the weight on the lever and the snap of the chains pretty much, over the years.
When we took delivery of our new WK2 with QL air suspension, the WDH head finished up the same height as the Patrol - but the ball to axle dimensions were different hence I had to recheck the setup.
As the QL is self levelling it is impossible to do this with the engine running, or even shut off as the thing will start the compressor to self adjust to a "cosmetic level" some time after standing.
I didn't have access to scales, so measurements at the wheel arches were the way to go - and was able to do this by disabling the QL - pressing the up/down buttons together. The Jeep then responded to chain tension as I experimented with different links snapped up.
I didn't change the WDH head angle and finished up one chain link less than the Patrol setup.
Three trips later with the Jeep and over 13000k - more than happy with the way the package tows and handles.
I also found some interesting comments on exactly this here:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...tup-89954.html
John"
Dasher - likely you will have to start from scratch - check out the other threads regarding WDH on the other forum as well for detailed advice on how to correctly set up a WDH. In particular here: http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30024
- on page 1 of the thread see the answer posted by Cabcar (who for many many years has run a large and very sucessful caravan repair business on the Sunshine Coast in Australia).
Hi John, thanks for the info it was really helpful in working out how to set up my WDH, getting the QL suspension has proved good in general driving but I didn't consider the complications when it came to towing hopefully all this information that you have given me will ease my concerns
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Re: What are you towing?

To John47,
John, thank you for your informative comments on towing set ups. I have a WK2 CRD and did not order it with the Tow pack, and was concerned about the transmission cooler. The dealer informed me the tow pack is not necessary on the diesel, and later told me not offered for the diesel, however does come with the a 220amp alternator. From your comment I assume the diesel comes with a transmission cooler and heavy duty radiator standard. Can you confirm please or am I missing the good bits tat are included as part of the Tow pack.

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I tow a 26 ft 2003 rampage toy hauler. 12 k pounds loaded.... But I use my cummins for that job. Jeep tugs the skidoos well though lol
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Re: What are you towing?

I have a question related to towing.... why is the V6 WK2 only rated at 5,000lbs?

The Durango with the same engine is rated at 6,200lbs.

The Mercedes ML350 (same platform as WK2) has a V6 with similar output (302hp vs. 290 in the Pentastar) and is rated for 7,200lbs.

Just surprising to me... and makes me wonder why the WK2 is rated the lowest of the 3, which are all very similar.
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John, thank you for your informative comments on towing set ups. I have a WK2 CRD and did not order it with the Tow pack, and was concerned about the transmission cooler. The dealer informed me the tow pack is not necessary on the diesel, and later told me not offered for the diesel, however does come with the a 220amp alternator. From your comment I assume the diesel comes with a transmission cooler and heavy duty radiator standard. Can you confirm please or am I missing the good bits tat are included as part of the Tow pack.

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GDay Mcgivor, our CRD Laredo doesn't have the tow pack (and I would agree with the dealer - on that point).
As you mentioned it does come with a larger alternator and a transmission cooler, can't confirm about the radiator, but it is a large lump of a thing....the intercooler is inside the grille, plus the a/c condensor so it makes sense to me that the radiator would be the HD item. In 13000k of towing I haven't seen the water temp any higher than 96 deg c - I usually check vehicle info on the EVIC from time to time as the water and transmission temps will reflect how hard the tug is working.
The Jeep is a great daily drive and a pleasure to load the van and head off.
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