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Old 12-18-2015, 12:58 PM
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The problem is, most people simply never read them. Most people will care more about having a few extra $2 LED interior guide lights than a $5 manual that tells them how they work.

Plus, it's a bullet point they can now give that they are eliminating the use of paper. Even if that DVD is more harmful, people still think even fully recycled paper is the devil.

The new future is, any available manuals will be download only or contained in a phone app. I'm surprised they even include the disc considering most vehicles no longer have a device to play them and a lot of people have computer devices now with no optical drive at all.
I wanted them just because it's nice to be able to sit in the vehicle, with the manual open on your lap to the page you need, while playing with whatever it is you're trying to figure out. With a DVD you would have to have a laptop, and even then it would be far more of a PITA, as opposed to having a hard copy of the manual in front of you.

I get your point about the greenies wanting to save the whales and the poor people. Hence a DVD is less in the landfill than a 300+ page owners manual. This even though the paper can be recycled.

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I wanted them just because it's nice to be able to sit in the vehicle, with the manual open on your lap to the page you need, while playing with whatever it is you're trying to figure out. With a DVD you would have to have a laptop, and even then it would be far more of a PITA, as opposed to having a hard copy of the manual in front of you.

I get your point about the greenies wanting to save the whales and the poor people. Hence a DVD is less in the landfill than a 300+ page owners manual. This even though the paper can be recycled.
I'm with you. When we had our electrical meltdown in AZ last July, I was thankful that I had the manual so I could see which fuses/relays controlled different things. It ended not being a fuse/relay issue, but I was glad I didn't have to pull out my laptop and cell phone to look the information up.

It is akin to having a paper map with you. Sure, phones and GPS are great until they don't work. Then it's good to have a backup plan.
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I wanted them just because it's nice to be able to sit in the vehicle, with the manual open on your lap to the page you need, while playing with whatever it is you're trying to figure out. With a DVD you would have to have a laptop, and even then it would be far more of a PITA, as opposed to having a hard copy of the manual in front of you.

I get your point about the greenies wanting to save the whales and the poor people. Hence a DVD is less in the landfill than a 300+ page owners manual. This even though the paper can be recycled.
Agree, id rather have them spend the money on including a manual with the jeep instead them spending the money on sending that worthless stupid key chain that I threw in the trash the day I got it. people often wouldn't even realize they don't have a manual until they are out on the road somewhere and need to look something up and then discover they don't have it. what good is a dvd at that point. I am all about the latest gadgets and things being electronic, but somethings in life a hard copy still makes sense.
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I wanted them just because it's nice to be able to sit in the vehicle, with the manual open on your lap to the page you need, while playing with whatever it is you're trying to figure out. With a DVD you would have to have a laptop, and even then it would be far more of a PITA, as opposed to having a hard copy of the manual in front of you.

I get your point about the greenies wanting to save the whales and the poor people. Hence a DVD is less in the landfill than a 300+ page owners manual. This even though the paper can be recycled.

I'm with you. I rather have the paper manual 👍🏼


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Are you guys talking about the owners manual or something different?
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Are you guys talking about the owners manual or something different?
They're talking about actual service manuals. With parts and wiring diagrams, torque specs, etc...
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Old 12-19-2015, 05:50 AM
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They're talking about actual service manuals. With parts and wiring diagrams, torque specs, etc...
No. (I understand this is confusing). We're talking about the actual 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Manual. It has a total of 10 chapters, and is 693 pages long. Jeep gives you a, "Users Guide" with the vehicle at the time of purchase. It has 264 pages, and basically touches on the features of the vehicle. It's the one that comes in the cute little green canvas pouch, with the brown leather "JEEP" emblem stitched on it, and a Velcro tab. (For what it costs them to produce that thing, they could probably give you the damn manuals.)

You don't get the Owners Manual with the vehicle. You have to request it, and Jeep will send it to you free of charge. Instead you get a DVD with the Owners Manual supposedly in it. I say supposedly because I haven't compared the two. The actual Owners Manual has very detailed information about everything on the vehicle. The "Users Guide" just basically touches on these same things. (264 pages worth compared to 693 pages in the actual Owners Manual). The "Users Guide" gives you just enough information to be both dangerous and confused at the same time. The Service Manuals are a whole different set of manuals. They are not free.

When you request the Owners Manual you will also get a U-Connect 8.4A / 8.4AN Owners Manual Supplement if your vehicle has the U-Connect 8.4 System. It alone has 419 pages. They also include a Warranty Information Book with everything. That does not come with the vehicle either. It has 40 pages, and covers very detailed information about exactly what the warranty covers, and what it does not. Along with for how long, and or how many miles. I have not read it cover to cover, but it alone could save any misunderstandings at the service department, concerning who pays for what / when.

All of this is very important information. And I don't understand why all of this stuff is not included with the purchase of every new Jeep Grand Cherokee sold? These vehicles are complicated when heavily equipped. And for what it costs Jeep to produce them, (the manuals), it would be money well spent. Especially if they simply raised the cost of the base vehicle a few bucks to cover them. Rather, they choose to eliminate a total of 1,152 pages of detailed information you should have, in order to save a few bucks on paper. And in the process, keep the greenie's happy. Instead, they give you a .15 cent DVD. Call me "old fashion", but I find that is not acceptable on a vehicle that can easily top $50K out the door.
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Old 12-19-2015, 09:33 AM
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Re: What did you do to your WK2 today?

Hit 23k mark... depressing! This April ll be 2nd year and heck have to keep Jeep under 36k... Guess have to go out shopping for 2nd car.

Plan to clean/wash my jeep and wife's b6 wagon today

As for cd/dvd jeep- Believe it or not, I have not touched or opened it since day one of jeep ownership. Its sleeping along w jeep keychain
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Washed it and installed Xenondepot h11 LED fogs


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Which LED fogs did u get? I'm thinking of ordering the Philips LEDs tomorrow.
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Which LED fogs did u get? I'm thinking of ordering the Philips LEDs tomorrow.

I went with XenonDepot LED H11. They are 2500 lumens each and use hear shrink. They use Philips LEDs. So far love them. Very bright and cheaper than the Philips Ultinon.

http://www.xenondepot.com/H11-LED-he...h11-led-hl.htm


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Old 12-19-2015, 08:41 PM
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No. (I understand this is confusing). We're talking about the actual 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Manual. It has a total of 10 chapters, and is 693 pages long. Jeep gives you a, "Users Guide" with the vehicle at the time of purchase. It has 264 pages, and basically touches on the features of the vehicle. It's the one that comes in the cute little green canvas pouch, with the brown leather "JEEP" emblem stitched on it, and a Velcro tab. (For what it costs them to produce that thing, they could probably give you the damn manuals.)

You don't get the Owners Manual with the vehicle. You have to request it, and Jeep will send it to you free of charge. Instead you get a DVD with the Owners Manual supposedly in it. I say supposedly because I haven't compared the two. The actual Owners Manual has very detailed information about everything on the vehicle. The "Users Guide" just basically touches on these same things. (264 pages worth compared to 693 pages in the actual Owners Manual). The "Users Guide" gives you just enough information to be both dangerous and confused at the same time. The Service Manuals are a whole different set of manuals. They are not free.

When you request the Owners Manual you will also get a U-Connect 8.4A / 8.4AN Owners Manual Supplement if your vehicle has the U-Connect 8.4 System. It alone has 419 pages. They also include a Warranty Information Book with everything. That does not come with the vehicle either. It has 40 pages, and covers very detailed information about exactly what the warranty covers, and what it does not. Along with for how long, and or how many miles. I have not read it cover to cover, but it alone could save any misunderstandings at the service department, concerning who pays for what / when.

All of this is very important information. And I don't understand why all of this stuff is not included with the purchase of every new Jeep Grand Cherokee sold? These vehicles are complicated when heavily equipped. And for what it costs Jeep to produce them, (the manuals), it would be money well spent. Especially if they simply raised the cost of the base vehicle a few bucks to cover them. Rather, they choose to eliminate a total of 1,152 pages of detailed information you should have, in order to save a few bucks on paper. And in the process, keep the greenie's happy. Instead, they give you a .15 cent DVD. Call me "old fashion", but I find that is not acceptable on a vehicle that can easily top $50K out the door.

Lol, do you carry all that in a back pack?
Sorry most people as some here have mentioned could careless about it. Most others could download the entire thing into there phone if they wished and have it in a nanosecond 24/7. Technically is great, not to mention we would all pay more if they gave out the books to each customer for every vehicle.
Also, that book you have that took months to prepare and print is most likely outdated and had revisions
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