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Re: What other SUV brands did you consider?

I am curious to understand the comments about ruling out other vehicles because they had a third row. It would seem to me that it would be more common to rule out a vehicle because it does not have a third row. If the seats fold flat and don't take up cargo volume, why would it even matter? To me a third row is falls into the category of rather have but not need than need but not have. Also, if cargo space is the concern, the JGC is not really the best choice considering it has about the same cargo capacity as a VW Jetta wagon or a Toyota RAV4.
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I am curious to understand the comments about ruling out other vehicles because they had a third row. It would seem to me that it would be more common to rule out a vehicle because it does not have a third row. If the seats fold flat and don't take up cargo volume, why would it even matter? To me a third row is falls into the category of rather have but not need than need but not have. Also, if cargo space is the concern, the JGC is not really the best choice considering it has about the same cargo capacity as a VW Jetta wagon or a Toyota RAV4.
I didn't want a third seat for two main reasons. First, its too hard for an adult to climb back there. Second, I have no use for a third seat and didn't need to haul around a 100+ lb. seat that I wouldn't use. The brands that offered the third seat would have a larger market if they made it an option but you are forced to get the third seat regardless.
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Old 12-02-2011, 11:34 AM
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I am curious to understand the comments about ruling out other vehicles because they had a third row. It would seem to me that it would be more common to rule out a vehicle because it does not have a third row. If the seats fold flat and don't take up cargo volume, why would it even matter? To me a third row is falls into the category of rather have but not need than need but not have. Also, if cargo space is the concern, the JGC is not really the best choice considering it has about the same cargo capacity as a VW Jetta wagon or a Toyota RAV4.
I ruled out vehicles that only came with 3rd row seats for the reasons already mentionned. The folded seat takes up under floor storage which I use. It is also dead weight. If you need an SUV with a 3rd row you should really get a Navigator or something in that size range.
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I ruled out vehicles that only came with 3rd row seats for the reasons already mentionned. The folded seat takes up under floor storage which I use. It is also dead weight. If you need an SUV with a 3rd row you should really get a Navigator or something in that size range.
I really can't stress how much I loved the Chevy Tahoe. Although essentially the same as the GMC Yukon, I think the Tahoe looked much better.

I was very close to getting one, but the prices over here in Kuwait for a brand new Tahoe was ridiculous!
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Re: What other SUV brands did you consider?

My wife and I cross-shopped the GMC Acadia and the new Durango. She took one look at the others and said "too big". OK.
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Re: What other SUV brands did you consider?

I recently picked up a 2012overland and looked at pretty much everything out there

My main criteria was true off road ability but with a bit of luxury...and I didn't want to go above 50k or so

I have opinions on most of the same cars referenced above, but for my particular needs, it came down to two vehicles: lr4 and the wk2.... And it was very tough choice

For the most part I preferred the rover
Pro's:
True 3rd row seating, separating the 4 and 6 year old would be worth it
Better ride, both off and on road
Don't laugh, but reliability on some systems : rover has been dealing with air suspensions and terrain response for years
Preferred interior
More cargo room
Seating position

Cons:
Depending on how you look at him, the out the door price of the lr4 with the options I wanted was 10-14k more than the wk2 I bought
Warranty: extended through jeep was 3-4k less than rover
Wheels: nothing smaller than 19, lr3 18's do not fit over breaks
Gas mileage: even worse than the hemi, and it comes with a smaller tank

I am along time rover owner, but I just couldn't justify the extra costs, and the wk2 is such a nice vehicle it really shouldn't have been such a tough decision for me... I think the LR have become too upscale...they are all range rover lite's...the wk2 is a great off road vehicle that is luxurious...the lr4 is a luxury car that is great off road

That being said, if the lr4 came with their European diesel engine, I might have killed my budget
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Don't laugh, but reliability on some systems : rover has been dealing with air suspensions and terrain response for years
That is fair enough but from what I know, RR/LR have awful reliability. A friend of mine sold his RR Vogue because he couldn't keep up with the constant repairs and maintenance he had to do. His 2006. It could just be the market in Kuwait because everything here comes with an inflated price. The true trick here is not to look at the initial cost of the car but the actual maintenance and service costs/quality in Kuwait. That is how you will tell if your car will be in it for the long run. Sounds stupid but that's how it is in Kuwait. Sometimes you crack a great deal if you know people in the right places and buy the car at the right time of year (end of year blowouts are usually the best, for example I got a much lower than Kuwaiti sticker price for my 2011 overland, it's December so they're tryin to get out all their 2011s and start selling their 2012s.)

Though back to the topic, I do like RR/LR but in Kuwait, I feel it's unjustifiable - their warranties are not so competitive and their reliability doesn't seem to be that great here from what I've seen from other RR/LR drivers. I could be wrong since I'd be discussing my opinion on a sample size of 3-4 drivers here in Kuwait. But I figure if I know 3-4 drivers in Kuwait with such problems, chances are there are plenty more out there.

EDIT: I'm not sure if I'm right on this one but to my understanding the variable suspension on the JGCs are oil based and not air based variable suspensions. Air based to my knowledge have shorter life spans than oil based variable suspensions. I could be wrong though, this is just my understanding and I'm too lazy to look up the info to confirm.
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Re: What other SUV brands did you consider?

I have not heard great things about LR reliability on their newer vehicles, and the fact that their extended warranty was 3 or more times more expensive than the wk2 probably says something. That being said, the shop i take my 97 Disco 1 to has said the LR3's weren't too bad....a few friends of mine that have had RR sports have not been very happy...but then again, my neighbors X-5 seems to be a hangars queen, so your mileage may vary...

But the total cost of ownerships certainly played a factor. More expensive parts, assumed more expensive labor, higher priced extended warranty, gas mileage, insurance, etc.....none of those things were in the LR4's favor.

By the way, the quadra lift on the wk2 is air based.
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Re: What other SUV brands did you consider?

Ahhh then I totally got my bearing wrong on that one. I remember from a conversation with someone at the dealership that they said it was oil based (not a person working there, but someone who was buying a WK2). That's why I didn't want to say I knew for sure that it was oil or air based.

I would assume the oil based ones are more reliable? Could you possibly shed some light on that? I'm going to research it later on when I'm doing my nightly iPad reading session before bed.
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I have no data on oil based, sorry
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Yeah one of the guys that works for me has a 2006 Range Rover, its just a nightmare. It looks great, rides great, you really feel like a million bucks going down the road...but it is CONSTANTLY breaking down, leaving him stranded. He takes it to my mechanic and he says they are all just a nightmare and that he'd never buy one. He's looking to replace it with a WK2 but he can't really afford to right now...

A coworker of mine has a 2010 RR Sport and its the same story. Its a total nightmare. So far that she posted a picture on Facebook of it at the bottom of her driveway with the caption "The key is in it...come steal it"

I love the way they look, love the RR Sport, but its all just too much hassle.
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Re: What other SUV brands did you consider?

I have heard the same about the Range Rovers/Sports. The LR3's were supposedly better, too soon to tell about the LR4. Its a shame, my 97 Disco was, and still is, great. Little things went wrong, but she never left me stranded, ALWAYS got me home, a great truck, but not for everyone. As the range rover sport and lr4 share the same platform, not a good sign.

That being said, within the first 1k miles of the WK2, I had 3 trips to the dealership. Still waiting on a part, otherwise i would have had 4.

Its funny, when it came down to it, my Dad gave me some advice. He felt there was a good chance either car would have some problems that would annoy me...now, how would i feel if i was less than 100% satisfied, and paid 10k+ more? That was game set and match for me....
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