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Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

To catch up from part #1: Didn't like the Overland Wheels, bought used Summit ones, tried plastidip, decided to powder coat so I bought a set of Wrangler 18" wheels / tires to facilitate that process.

So now I have a set of wrangler wheels (the tires weren't worth keeping) and it's time to decide what to do with them.

Option 1: Sell them
Option 2: Mount some winter tires on them

To better understand option 2, I live in Fort Worth, winter conditions here are generally ice - not snow - ice. (One storm last year was 3" thick pure ice.) I'm considering studded tires, good idea? Would I want two or four if I did go studded?

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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

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To catch up from part #1: Didn't like the Overland Wheels, bought used Summit ones, tried plastidip, decided to powder coat so I bought a set of Wrangler 18" wheels / tires to facilitate that process.

So now I have a set of wrangler wheels (the tires weren't worth keeping) and it's time to decide what to do with them.

Option 1: Sell them
Option 2: Mount some winter tires on them

To better understand option 2, I live in Fort Worth, winter conditions here are generally ice - not snow - ice. (One storm last year was 3" thick pure ice.) I'm considering studded tires, good idea? Would I want two or four if I did go studded?

Open to any other suggestions!
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When I lived in Germany, some put two studded snows on their vehicles during the winter, but I put four on my 1969 Opel Rallye. That not only gave me traction on ice, but also allowed steering. Those with only two could get moving, but often couldn't steer the vehicle once it was in motion.
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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

Sell them. You're not gonna want to run studded tires for a few times a year! Hell...I don't and wouldn't run them in Wisconsin.
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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

Mike - I have this funny image in my head of an Opel with studded tires! Just seems cool to me.

Steve - what do you run in the frozen part of the world you live it? Sure, it's only a few times of the year when I would need them but it really sucks to not be able to get somewhere in an emergency on those days...
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Sell them. You're not gonna want to run studded tires for a few times a year! Hell...I don't and wouldn't run them in Wisconsin.
WI doesn't allow studded tires unless you're driving an authorized emergency vehicle, school bus or delivering the mail.

However, out of stater's passing through the state can run them.

Nine states that prohibit studded tires...

Hawaii
Alabama
Florida
Louisiana
Mississippi
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

Interesting. I'm surprised that WI would be against them. The only time you can get away with using them here in Texas is in the storms - it's either snow chains or studded tires or lots of sliding (and associated bashing!).

That being said, is there enough advantage in snow / winter tires over regular ones to consider switching to them for the storms?

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Interesting. I'm surprised that WI would be against them. The only time you can get away with using them here in Texas is in the storms - it's either snow chains or studded tires or lots of sliding (and associated bashing!).

That being said, is there enough advantage in snow / winter tires over regular ones to consider switching to them for the storms?

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WI outlawed them many years ago. Gee, I was probably in my late teens, early 20's? I remember when people ran them here. LOL... I also remember the sparks from burnouts on dry pavement and the grooves they used to dig.

There are a lot of threads out here regarding the subject of whether it's worth running dedicated snow tires. You'll find plenty of opinions both ways. Go with what you feel comfortable with.

For me personally, I've never run dedicated snows. Then again, I'm used to driving on that crap. I stick to a moderately aggressive AT style tread year round. I really liked the Cooper Discoverer AT3's I had on my last Jeep. Never had any problems on snow or ice and we see plenty of both up here.
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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

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Interesting. I'm surprised that WI would be against them. The only time you can get away with using them here in Texas is in the storms - it's either snow chains or studded tires or lots of sliding (and associated bashing!).

That being said, is there enough advantage in snow / winter tires over regular ones to consider switching to them for the storms?

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My experience with studded tires is probably dated. When I used them back in the 60's, there were cheap ones that would tend to throw studs out at high speed (probably with more force than a pellet gun) and there were the good ones. After one experience with the cheap ones, I only bought the better ones from brand names. They only help on ice - there is no advantage to them on snow and they probably decrease stopping power on dry roads (though the sparks can be neat to watch).

Where I lived in Germany, they did not clear the roads often and they would quickly become slushy and icy. The studded tires were a lifesaver (literally a couple of times). I also felt better about them since my wife would usually drive me to the post early in the morning and then keep the car all day. I either had access to a four wheel drive vehicle while on post (or a tracked vehicle which can be fun in ice) and I wanted her to be as safe as possible.

That being said, since returning to the states, I have not purchased studded tires nor have I felt the need to.
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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

I respect your preparedness, but having lived in Dallas (now fairly close to Canada) I would forego the winter tires completely. Why? Nobody expects anybody to drive in ice in the DFW area so enjoy the time at home. :-)

That said, I personally don't feel a need for studs with modern winter tires. I currently use Blizzaks and I particularly like the additional dry pavement traction over studs in cold conditions for the plowed and deiced roads.

Ice in the DFW area is still rare enough that you'd be risking more with studs than without, in my opinion, unless you change tires for ice and immediately change back when it's gone. Otherwise, studless will help you more at a significant cost burning that soft rubber on the 40+ F temperature days. But if money is no object I'd go studless for sure for that area.

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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

Greetings,

I agree that with today's modern tires, you really do not need studs in most areas. Where I find those who recommend studs are in the areas that do not properly clear the roads in rural areas. And that is were you differently need studs on all 4 tires in order to push the vehicle, moreover, the ability to steer.

Today's dedicated non-studded tires have technology that enhances the grip thru softer tire compounds and tread block siping. On the AT side, the same is happening as well.

Personally, I always suggest looking at Nokian and Cooper tire brands. Bridgestone is another good choice and they now own a stake in Nokian. So some of the technology from Nokian does make it way into Bridgestone. But for a few extra bucks, you are better off with Nokian.

Their are some excellent threads on the main WK2 forum, Suspension/Driveline/Brakes/Wheels/Tires to get additional recommendations and opinions.

OP, have a safe winter.

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Re: Wheel Dilemma - Part 2. AKA: Winter is coming

There are a few alternative to chains that are supposed to be easier to install and remove although I still use old-fashioned chains on the rare occasions they are required here on all vehicles -- even those with 4wd.
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Greetings,

I agree that with today's modern tires, you really do not need studs in most areas. Where I find those who recommend studs are in the areas that do not properly clear the roads in rural areas. And that is were you differently need studs on all 4 tires in order to push the vehicle, moreover, the ability to steer.

Today's dedicated non-studded tires have technology that enhances the grip thru softer tire compounds and tread block siping. On the AT side, the same is happening as well.

Personally, I always suggest looking at Nokian and Cooper tire brands. Bridgestone is another good choice and they now own a stake in Nokian. So some of the technology from Nokian does make it way into Bridgestone. But for a few extra bucks, you are better off with Nokian.

Their are some excellent threads on the main WK2 forum, Suspension/Driveline/Brakes/Wheels/Tires to get additional recommendations and opinions.

OP, have a safe winter.

Best for now.
Since studs aren't legal, that takes that off the table. The quietest studdeds are the Coopers I've found. The best are the Nokians that come with factory rectangular studs.

Other than slick ice at low speeds, a premium low temperature tire is as good as, possibly better than, all but the very top studdeds.

And unless global warming has proceeded since I lived in Plano, it gets pretty cold in Dallas during those ice storms.

You'll want good traction so you can duck the other drivers during those.
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