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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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You're not the first to mention this, but could you explain how the 5.7 is not a real Hemi?
...something about the chamber not being a true hemispherical shape...it's all marketing today. However, with that said, I'm sure the newer version is more advance and better than the old orig HEMI design.

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Old 10-13-2012, 05:30 PM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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I have spent a lot of time in my friend's V6 Overland. There is absolutely NO WAY it is quieter than the Hemi. Every time the V6 has to work it sounds terrible. Above 75 it's much busier. The V8 is loafing at those speeds. If the V6 is more refined it's sounding like a sewing machine doing it. Frankly it's not a lot different from my Subaru Tribeca which was also down on torque initially. It "did the job" but not gracefully. If the V6 has the potential to be quiet, the weight of the GC is spoiling it.

The "Hemi" is a pent-roof piston and this was done so it could achieve the MPG it does. A true Hemi would drink more than Norm on Cheers. My friend, who tears down engines for fun, calls it a semi-hemi. Chrysler keeps "Hemi" going for marketing reasons and it works.

Outside of the MPG the Hemi does EVERYTHING better in the GC.


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I agree when maybe hitting steep inclines or when towing a heavy load, but during idle and in town and easy hwy driving (which is 90% of my driving), I feel the hemi is louder and has a less refined feeling... like my '06.

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Outside of the MPG the Hemi does EVERYTHING better in the GC.


Robert
yep, the same can be said about the 6.4L vs the 5.7.
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

I'm enjoying this thread. I've been following it since the beginning and some of the statements are truly based on facts, but a lot of it is purely personal opinion, along with a little bit of putting down owners of the V6.

Examples of facts relating to the hemi:

It's smoother, stronger, faster (not sure about smoother)
it costs more to own
the hemi has more HP
has more torque
weighs more
costs more
uses more fuel


Examples of opinions relating to the hemi and V6:

V6 is a weaser.
the V6 cripples the Overland package
The V8 is nicer in EVERY way
Accept or not, the V8 is nicer than the V6
the V6 is the low-end economy
Folks just need to decide if the $$$ matters to them vs. the V6 downsides.
The V6 is UNDERPOWERED for the Overland trim level weight
the V8 Overland is the better SUV in the snow, rain and so on
The V6 is a step down in the Overland trim.
Drove both enough to know the hemi is better. Not just "different."
Why even get a Jeep in that configuration?

Examples of mixed fact and opinion:

The Hemi is faster, stronger, quieter, more refined and makes the GC more versatile

But the Hemi is still superior in every way in respect to performance, driving enjoyment, safety, flexibility and comfort.

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” (Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

I often wonder why some people feel the need to put down other peoples choices/opinions. Is it an effort to make one feel better about themselves?

Just because something costs more, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s better.
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Old 10-13-2012, 06:30 PM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

At least it hasn't come down to;

My Hemi's Better Than Your Hemi






Yet!


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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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Oh, and if he's getting 11 MPG he needs to go back to the dealer. I can't make our Hemi dip below 15 even around town, nailing the gas on hills!

We drove 445 miles on a tank last week with a bit of range left (highway with ACC of course). That's over 20 MPG and we were not in the slow lane, usually 75 MPH.

Driving around the area, to the mall, pumpkin hunting....closer to 16 mpg.
11 MPG???? Give me a break. Take it in for service.


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My V6 gets 12 MPG during my "regular" driving cycle in NYC (infrequent short trips that often end soon after engine warmed up). On highway I get 24 MPG, during longer drives in the city - 15-16 MPG. So 11 MPG with HEMI doesn't seem abnormal at all if the driving cycle is mostly short city trips.
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

The Hemi is faster, stronger, quieter, more refined and makes the GC more versatile>>>>


This is not a MIX of fact and opinion. It's PURE fact.

The Hemi is FASTER, significantly so!
The Hemi is STRONG, much stronger!
The Hemi is quieter! Especially under any kind of loading!
The Hemi is more refined, or at least it certainly feels that way as it does not strain!
The Hemi makes the GC more versatile...of course it does. More power means more ability, more options for towing and so on. You may not need it all the time, but it's there.

Facts. The V6 does just one thing better...MPG. If that's at the top of your list then get it! But stop trying to sell the idea that less is more in a 2.5 ton SUV. We RAN from the Audi Q7 because it's sub 300 HP V6 was struggling as badly as the GC V6. That and the fact that it wouldn't fit in our garage!




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Old 10-14-2012, 03:26 AM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

Actually it does several things better...
Pentastars - advanced V6 engines from Chrysler (and Mercedes) A short read.

The Pentastar V6 puts out 80.55 hp per liter. The 5.7 liter only puts out 63.15 hp per liter. The V6 also puts out 72.22 feet pound per liter and the Hemi only puts out 68.42 feet pound per liter. So the V6 is better at effeciency.

The Pentastar is the new platform for all the upcoming designs, so the Pentastar has a better future coming. Sorry to say, but you should read line 5 under the overview....The Chrysler Five Year Plan
Fiat intends to drop the Hemi line altogether in favor of the single and twin turbo V6's along with diesel and electric options. The V8 will get much smaller as well. I believe they are looking at a 4.7 liter in the future.
The Pentastar is also better engineered than the 5.7.

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: Chrysler needed to drastically improve their fuel economy, and they certainly did with the Pentastar, which returns a 15-20% improvement in efficiency and 30-40% in power. Even more impressive is that it has made that leap without some of the tricks that other engines need, like Direct Injection and Exhaust Gas Recirculation. The Pentastar is good enough on its own merit to achieve impressive figures, but that just means we can be more excited for…

5. The Future: The Pentastar doesn’t have Direct Injection, Cylinder Deactivation or a turbo, but it is set up to potentially handle all three. If Fiat and Chrysler continue to develop the Pentastar V6 with these and other technologies, it could see whole new levels of performance and efficiency. They may be waiting for the price to go down, and since the Pentastar already helps them meet 2015 CAFE standards there’s no rush. But the sky is the limit for the already impressive Pentastar, and we can’t wait to see what else is in store. Maybe an appearance in the new Alfa Romeo Spider?
So just think of us V6 owners as investing in the future.........
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Actually it does several things better...
Pentastars - advanced V6 engines from Chrysler (and Mercedes) A short read.

The Pentastar V6 puts out 80.55 hp per liter. The 5.7 liter only puts out 63.15 hp per liter. The V6 also puts out 72.22 feet pound per liter and the Hemi only puts out 68.42 feet pound per liter. So the V6 is better at effeciency.

The Pentastar is the new platform for all the upcoming designs, so the Pentastar has a better future coming. Sorry to say, but you should read line 5 under the overview....The Chrysler Five Year Plan
Fiat intends to drop the Hemi line altogether in favor of the single and twin turbo V6's along with diesel and electric options. The V8 will get much smaller as well. I believe they are looking at a 4.7 liter in the future.
The Pentastar is also better engineered than the 5.7.


So just think of us V6 owners as investing in the future.........


That efficiency translates into not-enough power and is meaningless. There are other engines that are more efficient, but that does not make them the better choice for a heavy SUV.
The V6 may be a great platform in the future, but I'm driving today and that engine is not ready for prime time in the GC and suits the Overland even less.


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The Hemi is faster, stronger, quieter, more refined and makes the GC more versatile>>>>


This is not a MIX of fact and opinion. It's PURE fact.

The Hemi is FASTER, significantly so!
The Hemi is STRONG, much stronger!
The Hemi is quieter! Especially under any kind of loading!
The Hemi is more refined, or at least it certainly feels that way as it does not strain!
The Hemi makes the GC more versatile...of course it does. More power means more ability, more options for towing and so on. You may not need it all the time, but it's there.

Facts. The V6 does just one thing better...MPG. If that's at the top of your list then get it! But stop trying to sell the idea that less is more in a 2.5 ton SUV. We RAN from the Audi Q7 because it's sub 300 HP V6 was struggling as badly as the GC V6. That and the fact that it wouldn't fit in our garage!




Robert
You are not quoting what I said. Read my post again a little slower this time. I will underline the opinion portion for you.

Examples of mixed fact and opinion:

The Hemi is faster, stronger, quieter, more refined and makes the GC more versatile ( I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on QUIETER)

But the Hemi is still superior in every way in respect to performance, driving enjoyment, safety, flexibility and comfort.

Again, these are your opinion.


Good to see you didn't dispute the other 10 opinions I listed that were originally passed on as fact.
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

My issue w/ CaptRB's position is not that he claims one engine is better then the other, it's more-so the statements surrounding the V6 being under powered and inadequate. This engine is neither of those things. Perhaps we don't have the same expectations of our 4x4 vehicles, but acceleration and quickness are not very high on my priority list for this type of vehicle. If you want to drive an underpowered 4x4 go drive a V6 WK1 -- the performance comparatively to this vehicle is a substantial improvement.
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

CaptRB,

It's obvious your not getting through to a select few V6 owners. Let it go. Deep down these guys know they'd have the Hemi if they weren't concerned with MPG's. They're just too stubborn to admit it. It's a no-brainer. It's common sense ..... right???
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CaptRB,

It's obvious your not getting through to a select few V6 owners. Let it go. Deep down these guys know they'd have the Hemi if they weren't concerned with MPG's. They're just too stubborn to admit it. It's a no-brainer. It's common sense ..... right???
What a joke. Do you now feel better about yourself?
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