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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

I drove a 12 second Mitsubishi Evolution and went from that to a 2011 Overland Summit V6. To this day, I don't understand why people complain about the V6. My father has a V8 Durango, the transmission is HORRIBLE, power is adequate, and has had a bunch of issues already. He wishes he got V6 instead after driving my car.
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

Why all the fabrication about the V8 MPG?

I get 20-22 MPG on the highway. That's using adaptive cruise control with two adults and one child in the car. The Overland is a good deal heavier than than regular versions. On local roads we get between 16 and 17.5 MPG. I drive with traffic and am certainly in the faster lanes most of the time. Going to PA on several trips the worst I got was 19 MPG and that was some faster driving with a lot of hills.

The truth is simple. We really don't notice the MPG any more than in our other cars. I've watched it because I heard some people were concerned, but the ECO system works great.

Accept or not, the V8 is nicer than the V6 and it costs more to own. That's the way life is, but don't act foolish by trying to somehow embelish the V6 into something it's not. It's not an "equal" choice. The Hemi in the SRT is the high end performance engine. The 5.7 Hemi is the luxury/towing version and the V6 is the low-end economy.

They all move the car. Spend what you want but don't make up nonsense when folks like me have driven both for extended periods and actually know what the deal is.

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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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I drove a 12 second Mitsubishi Evolution and went from that to a 2011 Overland Summit V6. To this day, I don't understand why people complain about the V6. My father has a V8 Durango, the transmission is HORRIBLE, power is adequate, and has had a bunch of issues already. He wishes he got V6 instead after driving my car.


I'm a BIG Evo fan!
People don't "complain"about the V6 or at least I don't. But if you owned an Evo then you probably know that a full second difference to 60 MPH is a lot as is all the extra torque. Does that mean everyone should get the Hemi? Nope. Buy what you want.

But after driving both I would not trade for the V6 in a million years. This is a 2.5+ ton luxury SUV. Why would I spend that money and get all the toys only to go with the base engine?
That's my view after spending time with both and if the $$$ difference doesn't matter we all know which engine is nicer.

Folks just need to decide if the $$$ matters to them vs. the V6 downsides.

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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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Why all the fabrication about the V8 MPG?

I get 20-22 MPG on the highway. That's using adaptive cruise control with two adults and one child in the car. The Overland is a good deal heavier than than regular versions. On local roads we get between 16 and 17.5 MPG. I drive with traffic and am certainly in the faster lanes most of the time. Going to PA on several trips the worst I got was 19 MPG and that was some faster driving with a lot of hills.

The truth is simple. We really don't notice the MPG any more than in our other cars. I've watched it because I heard some people were concerned, but the ECO system works great.

Accept or not, the V8 is nicer than the V6 and it costs more to own. That's the way life is, but don't act foolish by trying to somehow embelish the V6 into something it's not. It's not an "equal" choice. The Hemi in the SRT is the high end performance engine. The 5.7 Hemi is the luxury/towing version and the V6 is the low-end economy.

They all move the car. Spend what you want but don't make up nonsense when folks like me have driven both for extended periods and actually know what the deal is.

Seriously!


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Old 10-11-2012, 10:57 PM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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The 5.7 Hemi is the luxury/towing version and the V6 is the low-end economy.
WoW!
Some are paying in the neighborhood of 40K for a loaded up V6 Luxury Overland.
Maybe the term "More Economical choice" not "Low-End" would be better.
Some don't get taken in with the whole "ya its got a "HEMI"" marketing BS.

Like I said before.

IMO
The V6 has plenty of power for around town family SUV.
If your looking to tow then you need the V8.
If your looking to race and take the curves, you need the SRT8.
If you need a get around in bad weather get the QT1
If you off-road get the QL2 and 18" rims not 20".

Get my point....sometimes its mental....its a feeling of having the V8....having the off-road capablity...ect.

Get the options you need not the options that give you bragging rights and you'll feel a lot better when the monthly payment comes in each month.

And for those with the money is not an issue BS...then the Grand Cherokee (V6 or V8) was the low-end economical choice.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:11 PM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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I had a 2004. The 3.7 V6 put out 210hp. However the 4.7 V8 that was available that year wasn't a whole lot better at 235hp. For a V6, the gas mileage was terrible. I get about the same with the Hemi.
2009 Dodge Dakota Crew Cab V8 4x4 – Instrumented Test – Car and Driver

This was just 2009. Look at the weight of the truck, then look at the HP and Torque of the V8 offered, look at all the praise, then explain how a lighter, smaller, fewer moving parts, higher gas mileage, V6 replaced that motor 2 years later, and is the dog you all call it? I don't get it.
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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wow!
Some are paying in the neighborhood of 40k for a loaded up v6 luxury overland.
Maybe the term "more economical choice" not "low-end" would be better.
Some don't get taken in with the whole "ya its got a "hemi"" marketing bs.

Like i said before.

Imo
the v6 has plenty of power for around town family suv.
If your looking to tow then you need the v8.
If your looking to race and take the curves, you need the srt8.
If you need a get around in bad weather get the qt1
if you off-road get the ql2 and 18" rims not 20".

Get my point....sometimes its mental....its a feeling of having the v8....having the off-road capablity...ect.

Get the options you need not the options that give you bragging rights and you'll feel a lot better when the monthly payment comes in each month.

And for those with the money is not an issue bs...then the grand cherokee (v6 or v8) was the low-end economical choice.
Well put...this post should kill the discussion.


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I'm a BIG Evo fan!
People don't "complain"about the V6 or at least I don't. But if you owned an Evo then you probably know that a full second difference to 60 MPH is a lot as is all the extra torque. Does that mean everyone should get the Hemi? Nope. Buy what you want.

But after driving both I would not trade for the V6 in a million years. This is a 2.5+ ton luxury SUV. Why would I spend that money and get all the toys only to go with the base engine?
That's my view after spending time with both and if the $$$ difference doesn't matter we all know which engine is nicer.

Folks just need to decide if the $$$ matters to them vs. the V6 downsides.

Robert
Honestly, maybe it's the Durango, but the noticeable power difference between the V6 to V8 isn't much, I swear by it when I say it. Then again, neither is the MPG shown the the EVIC. Regardless, the V8 will be a great engine when they fix the transmission it comes with, all the car does is clunk and shift like someone who isn't engaging a clutch on a manual, it's that rough.
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Honestly, maybe it's the Durango, but the noticeable power difference between the V6 to V8 isn't much, I swear by it when I say it. Then again, neither is the MPG shown the the EVIC. Regardless, the V8 will be a great engine when they fix the transmission it comes with, all the car does is clunk and shift like someone who isn't engaging a clutch on a manual, it's that rough.

The tranny in our 2012 Overland hemi is perfect. No issues. The tranny in my friends 2011 Overland hemi V6 is perfect. No issues.


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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

I seriously doubt that the folks here saying the V6 is okay have driven it in OVERLAND trim back-to-back with the Hemi Overland.

There's just no way anyone with any driving experience would not immediately notice the difference that all the extra HP/torque brings. It's noticeable on local roads, hills and the highway.

The V6 is UNDERPOWERED for the Overland trim level weight. The extra weight with passengers is too much for it. Yes, it can move the car, but it OBVIOUSLY strains in some situations. For ME this was not acceptable in a luxury off road SUV with an MSRP pushing 50K.

You can't change the numbers and pretend that all that extra torque doesn't make for a better driving experience. Sorry.


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I seriously doubt that the folks here saying the V6 is okay have driven it in OVERLAND trim back-to-back with the Hemi Overland.

There's just no way anyone with any driving experience would not immediately notice the difference that all the extra HP/torque brings. It's noticeable on local roads, hills and the highway.

The V6 is UNDERPOWERED for the Overland trim level weight. The extra weight with passengers is too much for it. Yes, it can move the car, but it OBVIOUSLY strains in some situations. For ME this was not acceptable in a luxury off road SUV with an MSRP pushing 50K.

You can't change the numbers and pretend that all that extra torque doesn't make for a better driving experience. Sorry.


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No need to apologize for stating your opinion. Some people say the chicken came before the egg, and others say the opposite. Again, no need for apologies. It's just your opinion.
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

I've driven the Pentastar, the Hemi and the CRD here in Aus. I personally found the car was too heavy for the Pentastar. The Hemi resolved that concern but the economy is a little scary. The CRD gave me Hemi performance while using basically half the fuel. However with the CRD I miss out on is the Hemi soundtrack and I get some slight turbo lag off the line. However, once it gets past that small lag it really hauls harder than the Hemi.
At a AU$5000 premium for the Hemi or CRD over the Pentastar, I must think it is worth it (AU and US dollar are basically on par).
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