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Old 10-12-2012, 09:02 PM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

When comparing the 6 to the 8, you need to remember they are bolted to different rears. So you are comparing a different drive line. The 8 sure has more power. But for someone using it as the family car in a relatively flat area, more power may prove to be no advantage.

Tim Allen taught us that "more power" is always better. That's how he got laughs.

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At least four of the five would be even better with the diesel. I just happen to like dohc 4 valve sixes. To each thier own. Notary sojac.


Yup....diesel will be cool!

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Old 10-12-2012, 10:10 PM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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I'm sorry, but that's the kind of PC statement that just isn't true.

The TRUTH is that the V8 is the BETTER engine. So let me define BETTER as it applies to an SUV.

1) It's able to get the car moving at speed more quickly.
2) It's able to handle hills and speed changes with less shifting.
3) It's able to handle heavy loads and towing better.
4) It's quieter under load and does not work as hard.
5) Once at speed it's quicker to accelerate in an emergency maneuver.

That's what I'd expect of a BETTER engine. And that's what the V8 hemi accomplishes compared to the V6, which has ONE advantage: Better MPG. If you're willing to trade 1 through 5 for the V6 economy, fine.

But the Hemi is still superior in every way in respect to performance, driving enjoyment, safety, flexibility and comfort.

NOTHING above is anything less than factual, supported by hard data. It's not an opinion. So when someone asks which engine BEST for highway & off-road I say the HEMI without hesitation. If they ask me which engine is BEST for highway only I say the SRT version without hesitation. Those are the two best performing engines in relation to DRIVING. If you have MPG as a priority that overrides 1 through 5 you still bought the weakest engine of the three.

FACTS, not opinions. Why can't people just be honest and up-front? The V6 works, but the V8 works better. Maybe the 8 speed will narrow the gap. I'm sure it will help.


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I think it's the word "better" that pretty much distinguishes your opinion in the above collection of statements.
If someone city drives 99% of the time, it's not a better motor to have. The SRT8 owners don't think the Hemi is better either.
The V6 is a good choice for everyone who is willing to sacrifice a little power for better mileage and less maintenance. Why can't you just accept that? It must be torcher to know that I smile when I get in my V6 Overland 4x4, and even keeping all my shifts under 4000 rpm, I pull away from everyone at just about every light with out any trouble at all. I can upload some video of this if you like. Light after light, that little itty bitty motor, with all that excessive weight, and that darn crappy 5 speed transmission, just pulling away smooth as butter over and aver again, opening an easy half a block by the time I hit the speed limits.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:39 PM
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Yup....diesel will be cool!
Yeah - that option is growing on me, too!
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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I think it's the word "better" that pretty much distinguishes your opinion in the above collection of statements.
If someone city drives 99% of the time, it's not a better motor to have. The SRT8 owners don't think the Hemi is better either.
The V6 is a good choice for everyone who is willing to sacrifice a little power for better mileage and less maintenance. Why can't you just accept that? It must be torcher to know that I smile when I get in my V6 Overland 4x4, and even keeping all my shifts under 4000 rpm, I pull away from everyone at just about every light with out any trouble at all. I can upload some video of this if you like. Light after light, that little itty bitty motor, with all that excessive weight, and that darn crappy 5 speed transmission, just pulling away smooth as butter over and aver again, opening an easy half a block by the time I hit the speed limits.


Wow. It's like banging ones head against a brick wall.

The elements of engine performance I outlined are accepted by the entire automotive industry. They are not opinions. A BETTER engine is the stronger, faster, quieter one in terms of performance.

Can't V6 owners just SAY IT?

The Hemi is faster, stronger, quieter, more refined and makes the GC more versatile. Whether you WANT your vehicle to be faster, stronger, quieter or more versatile is a moot point. It's not about YOU or ME.

Which engine is faster, stronger, quieter and more versatile? It's not a complicated question unless you have serious V6 buyer's remorse and can't state the obvious.

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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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Very good post!

By now, the OP should have all the details he needs to purchase what is right for him.
I believe the OP already owns the V8. He drove his friends V6 and was impressed.

Here's the post:

"Hey Guys -

Yesterday I was dumbfounded at the power of the V6 WK2 motor! My close friends decided to purchase a WK2 after we all got in and drove to dinner and movie. Last night they showed me there True Blue Laredo 4x2 V6.

Long story short, I was blocked in my driveway and took the Laredo to buy some wine. WOW! That V6 feels alive and amplified! I touched the accl. pedal and it just took off, no hesitations, rough shifts, nada!

Mine feels like a dog, it's slow, guzzles gas (I am averaging 11mpg), the trans has rough shifts and delays between gears.

Sorry for the rant, im not a happy camper right now."
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

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I believe the OP already owns the V8. He drove his friends V6 and was impressed.

Here's the post:

"Hey Guys -

Yesterday I was dumbfounded at the power of the V6 WK2 motor! My close friends decided to purchase a WK2 after we all got in and drove to dinner and movie. Last night they showed me there True Blue Laredo 4x2 V6.

Long story short, I was blocked in my driveway and took the Laredo to buy some wine. WOW! That V6 feels alive and amplified! I touched the accl. pedal and it just took off, no hesitations, rough shifts, nada!

Mine feels like a dog, it's slow, guzzles gas (I am averaging 11mpg), the trans has rough shifts and delays between gears.

Sorry for the rant, im not a happy camper right now."
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Ummm, yeah....so he drove a much lighter Laredo that didn't even have 4x4! My friend's 2 wheel drive Tacoma pickup also feels spry. The V6 in a based model without 4x4? Sheesh. Wanna buy a plane without wings? We call it a rocket.
Why even get a Jeep in that configuration? Of course...if you put the Hemi in a 2wd base Laredo it would be even more spry.

Silly. I'd buy another Outlander or Highlander before buying a 2 wheel drive Jeep. 2 wheel drive Jeeps in the most base configurations are very popular around here for parking-lot security cars.


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Old 10-13-2012, 08:33 AM
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Re: Who has driven both V6 & V8 WK2's

Oh, and if he's getting 11 MPG he needs to go back to the dealer. I can't make our Hemi dip below 15 even around town, nailing the gas on hills!

We drove 445 miles on a tank last week with a bit of range left (highway with ACC of course). That's over 20 MPG and we were not in the slow lane, usually 75 MPH.

Driving around the area, to the mall, pumpkin hunting....closer to 16 mpg.
11 MPG???? Give me a break. Take it in for service.


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Old 10-13-2012, 12:40 PM
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A BETTER engine is the stronger, faster, quieter one in terms of performance.

Robert
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In general. The power plant the uses its given fuel to produce energy in the most efficiant way and is reliable to do it at any time no matter if its making 2 hp or 1000 hp will always be the better engine.
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:48 PM
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The elements of engine performance I outlined are accepted by the entire automotive industry. They are not opinions. A BETTER engine is the stronger, faster, quieter one in terms of performance.

Can't V6 owners just SAY IT?

The Hemi is faster, stronger, quieter, more refined and makes the GC more versatile. Whether you WANT your vehicle to be faster, stronger, quieter or more versatile is a moot point. It's not about YOU or ME.
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I thought I was done posting on this topic, but...

Faster = Hemi
Stronger= Hemi
More refined= V6
Quieter = V6

Dude, the hemi (not a real hemi, btw) is old tech and will soon be eliminated/replaced.


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You're not the first to mention this, but could you explain how the 5.7 is not a real Hemi?
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I thought I was done posting on this topic, but...

Faster = Hemi
Stronger= Hemi
More refined= V6
Quieter = V6

Dude, the hemi (not a real hemi, btw) is old tech and will soon be eliminated/replaced.

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I have spent a lot of time in my friend's V6 Overland. There is absolutely NO WAY it is quieter than the Hemi. Every time the V6 has to work it sounds terrible. Above 75 it's much busier. The V8 is loafing at those speeds. If the V6 is more refined it's sounding like a sewing machine doing it. Frankly it's not a lot different from my Subaru Tribeca which was also down on torque initially. It "did the job" but not gracefully. If the V6 has the potential to be quiet, the weight of the GC is spoiling it.

The "Hemi" is a pent-roof piston and this was done so it could achieve the MPG it does. A true Hemi would drink more than Norm on Cheers. My friend, who tears down engines for fun, calls it a semi-hemi. Chrysler keeps "Hemi" going for marketing reasons and it works.

Outside of the MPG the Hemi does EVERYTHING better in the GC.


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