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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

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I agree on AWD being safer on wet roads.. Like someone above said if you gotta gun in in 2wd your gonna break them loose... AWD you will retain traction and not kick sideways from breakin the two rear wheels loose...
That sounds like a pretty isolated situation for which to justify the added cost of AWD, especially since flooring it at an intersection in an area like this is a surefire way to get t-boned by cross traffic. As far as hydroplaning, I can definitely say I've been in those situations where you're thinking "oh sh*t we're headed toward the jersey barrier", but they never sent me home feeling like "man, I wish that car had AWD".
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:54 AM
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

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Lately I am seeing a lot of slick asphalt. Wonder why.
My guess is cost. But those shell roads TEAR APART tires. Seriously, tires last like 2x as long when you drive on other normal roads.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:00 PM
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

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That sounds like a pretty isolated situation for which to justify the added cost of AWD, especially since flooring it at an intersection in an area like this is a surefire way to get t-boned by cross traffic. As far as hydroplaning, I can definitely say I've been in those situations where you're thinking "oh sh*t we're headed toward the jersey barrier", but they never sent me home feeling like "man, I wish that car had AWD".
As someone who didn't get hit by a drunk driver running a red light because of AWD traction, I totally disagree. I was making a left hand turn in the rain, cars had literally gone before me. 30% of the way into the intersection I realize the Expedition going 70mph up to the light isn't slowing down or stopping at all and gunned it. Engine came to life, AWD hooked, and I barely avoided a major accident that would have undoubtedly caused me severe injury, despite being on the opposite side of the vehicle from the impact.

Now imagine if your wife, son, daughter, girlfriend, mother, etc. was in the passenger seat. In that situation AWD potentially saved my life, and at a minimum saved me from harm. A 2WD version of that vehicle (A Saturn Vue Redline) would not have had the traction to get out of the way while turning in the rain. Traction control would have cut the power going to the wheels to try to keep them from spinning and I wouldn't have made it through.

I personally will never own a daily driver that doesn't send power to all 4 wheels without driver intervention. The extra $4k at most isn't worth the risk, and pales in comparison to the potential health costs from not having the traction.
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

During this past rare winter storm in my state(Arkansas), i drove my 2wd laredo during the storm and i felt mighty uncomfortable, i was trying to keep the rear end from sliding out from behind me and dealing with the useless traction control and i was only going 20-25 mph. I couldn't make it up any of the streets i wanted and on the way home i slid into a ditch to avoid a fallen tree and if i had 4wd, i could've easily got out of that ditch, but nooo i had to wait 1 1/2 hours for a tow truck to pull me out.

I already had a deal made on a Hemi QT2 4x4 Limited before the storm, so after it cleared out, i promptly traded my Laredo in on it and haven't looked back. I will not be without 4wd again..
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

Jeep should not even make 4x2. Leave the 4x2 version of this vehicle to the Dodge. It is a disgrace to have a "Jeep" that is not 4x4.

When you 4x2 people get stuck in the mall parking lot on a little bit of snow, you are making the real jeep owners look bad.
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

To everyone saying "I would not have made it if I had 2wd"...How do you know that? I do agree, 4wd would be ideal in some wet and slick situations but I think the 2wd is more capable than you think. My previous vehicles were both rwd cars and even in those, I almost never had problems in the rain and only occasionally had issues in the ice/snow. I would throw a set of all season tires on them in the winter and had no issues at all.
With the Jeep, I can't think of one time I have lost traction in the rain even when taking off quickly from a stop. As far as snow/ice go, I have not had a lot to deal with this year but it isn't usually bad around here. In the little bit I did drive in, yes the rear wheels had a little trouble hooking from a stop in some areas. It would have been nice to have 4wd then but aside from that, I never got even close to loosing control of the vehicle at any speed.

Drive smart and learn your cars limits and you shouldn't ever have any problems on the road.

All this being said, I do like the idea of having 4wd. I can understand why somebody would want it (especially in a Jeep). I just don't need it on mine.
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

Having learned to drive in 60s-70s era rear wheel drive sedans in snow country. I think people put too much emphasis on AWD or 4WD to allow them to get along in bad weather. Not disputing off road use.... Those old RWD were fine with a little weight, a decent tire and some amount of skill. I have found 4WD/AWD to be indispensible on slicked up boat ramps however. And they are occasionally helpful on our lake effect snow events, meaning a foot or more but hardly needed.
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

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Having learned to drive in 60s-70s era rear wheel drive sedans in snow country. I think people put too much emphasis on AWD or 4WD to allow them to get along in bad weather. Not disputing off road use.... Those old RWD were fine with a little weight, a decent tire and some amount of skill. I have found 4WD/AWD to be indispensible on slicked up boat ramps however. And they are occasionally helpful on our lake effect snow events, meaning a foot or more but hardly needed.
I have to agree. It always makes me smile when somebody raves about how well their awd/4wd did in 6 inches of snow. My '61 BelAire , with a heavy tool box in the trunk, went through snow twice as deep.

But, now I'm happy to have the extra assistance from the vehicle.
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

to each his own I guess...i've owned nothing but rwd cars up until this JGC. a Mazda b2200 RWD with an open rear diff, a FWD VW Jetta, a 1997 328i RWD with open diff and a 2003 M3 with LSD...

From experience in rainy Seattle, the LSD in the M3 and the QTII in the JGC have saved my butt a few times where I don't believe my cars prior would have done me any good... i've escaped a few near accidents in the previous cars as well...But would I rather have an LSD or 4x4 for peace of mind and know I have traction when I need it in a pinch, hell yes.

Whether it truly is safer, i'll leave that to the people who can do a comparo of a 4x2 and 4x4 under the same controlled situation.
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

AWD also increases the vehicle's performance limits in inclement weather. Aside from ways this can make you faster, it also can be a safer alternative to the brakes in certain situations. One reactive example was a sudden four-wheel understeer drift on a wet bend. In a 2wd all I could hope for would be to change the angle of attack and hope to stay on the road, but with awd I was able to apply a measured amount of throttle and safely continue on. If I had just hit the brakes I would have increased the rotation and gone straight in the ditch.

That said, there are other times 2wd would be nice, e.g. acceleration after initial hook-up, throttle steering, gas mileage. Heck, I tried to do donuts in the snow one time in my Legacy and all it did was drive in a circle.
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

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That sounds like a pretty isolated situation for which to justify the added cost of AWD, especially since flooring it at an intersection in an area like this is a surefire way to get t-boned by cross traffic. As far as hydroplaning, I can definitely say I've been in those situations where you're thinking "oh sh*t we're headed toward the jersey barrier", but they never sent me home feeling like "man, I wish that car had AWD".
I have had a truck hydroplane on wet roads in 2wd.. It def makes a different in safety.. I live where it snows so a 2wd jeep is not an option either way.. But like others have said if I had to gun it i would much rather gun it in an AWD vehicle than a 2wd(especially rear driven ) on wet roads... I have never been in a fun it or get hit situation like others say. But it's a no brainer that AWD is safer in certain conditions...
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Re: Why do people buy 4x2 Jeeps?

If you only drive it on pavement then a 4X2 is your answer.
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