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"Hate to be the contrarian of the group here Just kidding, I don't mind at all. I love the look of the new GC, but I can't for the life of me figure out why Jeep felt the need to neuter it as far as off-road capability.
Two solid axles don't seem to be hurting sales of the Wrangler, which isn't any less comfortable on the road than the Grand Cherokee. Build quality is up over previous Grand Cherokees, but a Jeep lineup consisting only of crossovers and one real off-roader doesn't sit well with me."
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:04 AM
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"....the Wrangler, which isn't any less comfortable on the road than the Grand Cherokee." Seriously?
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That statement is exactly why the Jeep Grand Cherokee is no longer a Jeep...Jeep was never about "twisties". The WK2 is horrible in the twisties compared to most suvs in its class and because it tries to be an on road machine it doesn't off-road all that well either... The WK2 isn't really good at anything....
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These beautiful interiors are totally European and are not built to be rugged or age well,(look at ten year old German car interiors/ painted surfaces and had surface scratches all over, leather and soft touch dashes have tears and cracks... the Jeep GC was rugged and off road performance was priority utilitarian interior with touches of luxury...the WK2 is the exact opposite which at the end of the day is why Jeep is still successful and will continue to be... the market has changed and Jeeps done what they need to stay alive which is about what every automaker has done...The only vehicle that has stayed true to its roots like the wrangler is the 4runner which has stayed body and frame with a utilitarian interior and look at the 4runners sales...their horrible...Toyota has a big decision to make with the upcoming generation if this new TRD 4runner doesn't help sales....I'm not meaning to slam the WK2 it is a beautiful vehicle but I'd challenge any WK2 to actually keep up with a ZJ WJ WK on the rubicon.(and not have a ton of damage like the one mopar took through Rubicon)
Little boy pick any SUV and come play with me on the twisties even Range Rover Sport Supercharged and we see who can keep up with my V6 WK2. WK2 is better than a Tahoe or Surburban in the twisties. It is better balanced than Expedition or that FWD based POS Explorer when pushed in the twisties.
With equal drivers a Range RoveR Supercharged will smoke it but the normally aspirated Sport, Range Rover, LR4 and Evoque will have to work hard to keep up with WK2 with a V6. 4 Runner cant compete and neither can anything from Lexus in the twisties. Cayenne and X5 will run away from a WK2 but they are really CUVs since they have little real offroad capability. Various Qs and Vdub Cuvs arent any competition. Have you ever driven a WK2? Chased apexes with one. The V6 WK2 is the best balanced of the line.
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Why did you call me a little boy? Pretty immature as well as uneducated. I have a real Jeep therefore I'm in no way interested in racing you on twisties hence my prior posts. Thanks for reinforcing my point about what the WK2 has become.
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:27 AM
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JGC is what the majority of the buying public wants it to be...most folks who buy the many tens of thousands of them are not hard-core off-road enthusiasts. Many go off-road occasionally and some juice their rides up for more serious play. But "most of us"? We're highway drivers primarily and a different audience than folks who focus on off-road.

IE, it's about marketing a product that meets the requirements of the folks who are willing to buy it, especially at today's prices.
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JGC is what the majority of the buying public wants it to be...most folks who buy the many tens of thousands of them are not hard-core off-road enthusiasts. Many go off-road occasionally and some juice their rides up for more serious play. But "most of us"? We're highway drivers primarily and a different audience than folks who focus on off-road.

IE, it's about marketing a product that meets the requirements of the folks who are willing to buy it, especially at today's prices.
Very true, same idea with the new Cherokee. It will be interesting to see what the next generation Grand Cherokee will be.
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:39 AM
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JGC is what the majority of the buying public wants it to be...most folks who buy the many tens of thousands of them are not hard-core off-road enthusiasts. Many go off-road occasionally and some juice their rides up for more serious play. But "most of us"? We're highway drivers primarily and a different audience than folks who focus on off-road.

IE, it's about marketing a product that meets the requirements of the folks who are willing to buy it, especially at today's prices.
YUP!

If I wanted to go rock climbing the GC would not be my first choice. But it is a very nice on road vehicle, and handles my fairly frequent drives on the beach with no problem. It can also tow a bunch when needed. So, it meets my requirements and I'm willing to pay for it.


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Why did you call me a little boy? Pretty immature as well as uneducated. I have a real Jeep therefore I'm in no way interested in racing you on twisties hence my prior posts. Thanks for reinforcing my point about what the WK2 has become.
While I dont agree with him using the little boy comment, you claimed the WK2 is horrible in the twisties compared to other SUVs. He refuted your claim. Now that he did that, you try to say he reinforced your point? I thought your point was it isn't good at anything; which simply isn't true.

Yes, gone are the days of the GC being a very capable off roader. That died after the WJ sadly. But, to be honest, how many of these things ever make it off road? The GC to me is in a class by itself. You want an SUV that has luxury, some off road capability, and a tow rating over 5000 lbs? Point me to anything that you can buy for less than 50k. The GC is it.

Long term, I have my fears the GC will move too far up the pricing pyramid. But for now, I appreciate the WK2 because it honestly was my only option given my criteria. Next gen though, all bets are off. Time will tell....
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While I dont agree with him using the little boy comment, you claimed the WK2 is horrible in the twisties compared to other SUVs. He refuted your claim. Now that he did that, you try to say he reinforced your point? I thought your point was it isn't good at anything; which simply isn't true.

Yes, gone are the days of the GC being a very capable off roader. That died after the WJ sadly. But, to be honest, how many of these things ever make it off road? The GC to me is in a class by itself. You want an SUV that has luxury, some off road capability, and a tow rating over 5000 lbs? Point me to anything that you can buy for less than 50k. The GC is it.

Long term, I have my fears the GC will move too far up the pricinghe pyramid. But for now, I appreciate the WK2 because it honestly was my only option given my criteria. Next gen though, all bets are off. Time will tell....
He didn't refute it... He tried to lightly touch on that the cayenne and X5 would outperform it on road. He failed to mention the Audi, VW and Range Rover Sport would also outperform it thus it has five cars in its class that outperform it on road as well as the VW, Cayenne, Mercedes and Range Rover Sport would more than keep up with the WK2 offroad hence the WK2 is not really that good at anything.
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WK with quadradrive 2 is easily to most offroad capable stock Grand Cherokee to date.
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Yes the WK2 will probably move up in price range so that it can compete performance wise with the other vehicles in its class. While I will always drive a vehicle like the WJ or WK that is true to Jeep's heritage I would never like to see Jeep go out of business and so I understand the direction they've gone and want nothing more than to see the next gen Grand Cherokee kick the Range Rover and Cayenne's butt and become king of that class...
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Re: Will Jeep still be Jeep

As a former "I only drive Ford 4x4 Pickups" who fell in love with his wife's 2004 GC Special Edition even without the 4x4. When it got to the point I where I was no longer able to shift the manual transmission because of bad knees, my first choice when looking at a newer vehicle was the GC. I had 4 criteria when looking:

#1 - Affordable (that left out anything new as $30 to $50,000 is well out of my bracket on any vehicle)
#2 - 4x4 - Wife refuses to drive in snow no matter how little it is which means I need to be able to take her to and from work and my 83 year old mother lives in the boonies and whenever there's heavy snow or ice her power goes out for days and weeks at a time and I need to be able to get up her hill and get her out.
#3 - Engine with enough power to take me over the mountains and to be able to tow moderate weights without any trouble.
#4 - Automatic Transmission - Obviously I can no longer deal with mashing on the clutch non stop in traffic anymore.

I've never been a proponent of full time 4x4, as I never minded climbing out and locking in my manual hubs. However age and a bit of research led me to the QuadraDrive system and I must admit I'm pleased.

I've been reading this thread and the discussion on the newer GC has been pretty informative. I hate to admit it but I'm really glad I was able to get my WK equipped the way I wanted it at a very reasonable price. The newer WK2's remind me of crossovers and seem so small. Might not really be a true comparison, but a general observation on my very limited knowledge.

No matter what the future brings to the Jeep brand, my hope is that they stay true to their roots and offer us a Jeep that fits all of our needs, no matter what those may be.
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