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Cooper Discoverer AT3...




Cooper Weathermaster (non-directional)...



Cooper Weathermaster WSC (directional, studdable)...


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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I purchased the Cooper Weathermaster WSC's and had them studded on the black Jeep steel wheels. Have the AT3s on the factory rims for the no snow time of the year.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I ran the AT3's year round and loved them. They handled everything that was thrown at them.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

Greetings,

If you look closely at both the Nokian and Cooper tire lines, they seam to get the siping in the optimal areas. This is extremely important in maintaing traction. Also, the shoulder block designs are important for snow.

I am more bias to Nokian because of their gripping power and compound technology.

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The stopping ability with the Nokian Rotiva AT is the best so far that I have experienced with an AT tire.
Thanks for reporting in. I have been eyeing the Rotiiva's for a while now.
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Thanks for reporting in. I have been eyeing the Rotiiva's for a while now.
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With over 20k on them now they are still going strong. If you have not read my writeup, here it is with other commentary by others:

Nokian Rotiva AT 265/60/18 10,000 mile update

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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

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Modern dedicated snow tires are all about traction in braking and turning. They are far superior to any All Season AT tire in both braking and turning, particularly on slick surfaces and ice where their capabilities really shine. Any modern AT tire will be able to get you going in snow, but will be much weaker at braking and turning on slick surfaces than a snow tire. In winter a good AT tire will just allow you to get stuck farther off the road. I have used Michelin X-Ice on my present ride up until this year but they are done and will be replaced this fall. Almost any modern dedicated snow tire will be far superior than an all Season AT tire in braking and cornering.
I totally agree with this statement. There really isn't any comparison to the braking and cornering ability of an all season tire compared to a dedicated snow tire. I have put Blizzaks on all of my vehicles for the last 10 winters, and wouldn't consider driving in the snow without them, or some other dedicated snow tire. However, I do trust my ability, as a cautious driver, to safely negotiate snow covered roads using all season tires. It's the other guy that I do not trust! Accident avoidance is what it's all about. I have always said, " You don't need snow tires until your life depends on it. And then, if you don't have them, it's too late!"
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

Snow tires are great on snow but suck on dry pavement. I bet 75% of the time in the winter it's dry. I'll go with Nokian All Weather.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

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Snow tires are great on snow but suck on dry pavement. I bet 75% of the time in the winter it's dry. I'll go with Nokian All Weather.
Actually, that is not true. Dedicated snow tires are made from a rubber compound that out performs all season compounds in colder temps. So if you live in an area where the temps are typically freezing or below, snow tires are better even on dry pavement. Here is a link to an interesting article that explains it a lot better than I can.

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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

The Nokian WRG3 is a good tire , but it is a compromise tire. Nokian themselves classify it as a Winter tire that can be driven year round.Yes it will be better in winter than an all season tire, and yes it can be driven in summer, but it will not offer the same braking grip or steering grip as a winter tire in cold conditions; and the colder it gets the greater the difference will be.

There are places where people do most of their driving where they will be quite well served by driving on the WRG3 instead of all seasons, but where I drive in winter I'm not going with anything less than a dedicated winter tire.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I've never had winter tires since bias ply were replaced by radials. I went to the Michelin site and clicked on a "Winter Tire" link. It describes winter tires as being designed for severe cold weather conditions.

It makes me wonder how many people are buying the tires they need, and how many are buying the hype.


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