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It makes me wonder how many people are buying the tires they need, and how many are buying the hype.
This is a reasonable question, and part of what drove me to consider an AT tire with the severe service emblem (aka "mountain snowflake").

Double duty, and keep the forteras for three season/highway application.

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The Nokian WRG3 is a good tire , but it is a compromise tire. Nokian themselves classify it as a Winter tire that can be driven year round.Yes it will be better in winter than an all season tire, and yes it can be driven in summer, but it will not offer the same braking grip or steering grip as a winter tire in cold conditions; and the colder it gets the greater the difference will be.

There are places where people do most of their driving where they will be quite well served by driving on the WRG3 instead of all seasons, but where I drive in winter I'm not going with anything less than a dedicated winter tire.
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That's funny that Nokian classified as a winter tire for the WRG3 SUV. They also listed under summer tires for the SUV's. As far as I can remember the WR series was always for both summer and winter. Nokian does not considered it a dedicated snow tire. They do have the mountain snow flake emblem on them as does my Rotiva AT.

One of the main reasons that Nokian is head of everybody is their technology which is why Bridgestone brought into Nokian years back. The compound is what makes the tire perform. Both in the WRG3 SUV and Nokian Rotiva AT, they use a compound that can handle the summer time temperature conditions. Since I had my AT's, I have been down to Atlanta and St. Louis both times in 90 degree + temps with excellent handling in dry conditions. The old Nokian website provided lot of information on each tire. Here is some on the compound.

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True dedicated winter tires, the compound will be much softer and/or they will have some sort of studs and shoulder design for deeper snow. In addition, the siping is greater on the tread blocks. This allows to avoid the chains in a majority of the municipalities.

So, it really comes down to were you live and drive during the winter months for the correct tire and wheels (rims).

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It makes me wonder how many people are buying the tires they need, and how many are buying the hype.
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Funny I think the same about Laredo vs Limited vs Overland vs Summit.
Are all the additional options needed and justify the 20k price difference between entry level and top model?
Most if not all people are buying because they want the options or for status more then the actual need.

I feel in this case winter tires have gotten me through some very sticky situations. We currently run them on our Q5 and this will be the first winter in 8 yrs that I wont be running them on my car. I swapped out the OEM Fortera's immediately after I bought the Jeep because I was less then impressed with their winter abilities on my parents Jeep.

I hope im not making the wrong decision by not picking up a set for the Jeep. Last year we experienced one of the worst winters in Chicago's history and hope this year isn't a repeat.
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Funny I think the same about Laredo vs Limited vs Overland vs Summit.
Are all the additional options needed and justify the 20k price difference between entry level and top model?
Most if not all people are buying because they want the options or for status more then the actual need.

I feel in this case winter tires have gotten me through some very sticky situations. We currently run them on our Q5 and this will be the first winter in 8 yrs that I wont be running them on my car. I swapped out the OEM Fortera's immediately after I bought the Jeep because I was less then impressed with their winter abilities on my parents Jeep.

I hope im not making the wrong decision by not picking up a set for the Jeep. Last year we experienced one of the worst winters in Chicago's history and hope this year isn't a repeat.
Well get ready for another one. There predicting lots of snow in the northeast this winter.
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Well get ready for another one. There predicting lots of snow in the northeast this winter.
Bring it I'm ready haha. I jumped on the duratrac bandwagon. At 160 a pop after rebate who could pass it up? The latitudes did well here in CT. I've had the jeep up to 75mph on approx 5-6 inches unplowed hwy and was a dream. Now keep in mind others may call it unsafe but I drive for a living and for me its critical I push a vehicle to learn its limits. But on topic these duratracs superb, I'm running stock size and look great, I can feel the till g resistance on accel and decel. They are 4lbs heavier then stock per tire and I've only lost .5mpg
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I went with Blizzaks on their own rims, 18 inch. 3 hour drive from Canada. I prefer these over studs for better pavement traction and low road noise despite the cost and faster wear.

That said, they may advertise these suckers driving on an ice rink, but I did my share of sliding on sheer ice last winter. But I drive aggressively at low speeds and don't mind a little sliding around. Can't say that studs would do much better though other than glare ice.

So far I'm quite happy with them (1 season). I went with tire rack and got some very nice aluminum rims (better than the jeep rims) with the tires balanced with tire pressure sensors and mounted for a really great price.

I have to drive some pretty steep hills so winter tires are a must. Even on a Jeep. No fun sliding sideways on 4 spinning tires trying to crest a hill.

The cops use blizzaks here in winter fwiw.

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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

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I went with Blizzaks on their own rims, 18 inch. 3 hour drive from Canada. I prefer these over studs for better pavement traction and low road noise despite the cost and faster wear.

That said, they may advertise these suckers driving on an ice rink, but I did my share of sliding on sheer ice last winter. But I drive aggressively at low speeds and don't mind a little sliding around. Can't say that studs would do much better though other than glare ice.

So far I'm quite happy with them (1 season). I went with tire rack and got some very nice aluminum rims (better than the jeep rims) with the tires balanced with tire pressure sensors and mounted for a really great price.

I have to drive some pretty steep hills so winter tires are a must. Even on a Jeep. No fun sliding sideways on 4 spinning tires trying to crest a hill.

The cops use blizzaks here in winter fwiw.

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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I will try. Preconditions: I can remember and find this post in Nov. I had pics for the Bridgestone free jacket promo but deleted them after getting the jacket.
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I ran the AT3's year round and loved them. They handled everything that was thrown at them.
The problem with the AT/3s is ice, real ice. I got so many scares last year here in NJ I'm definitively getting dedicated winter tires.
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The problem with the AT/3s is ice, real ice. I got so many scares last year here in NJ I'm definitively getting dedicated winter tires.
The problem with dedicated winter tires (of pretty much any brand) is that once you try them and find out how vastly superior they are in performance it's hard to forego using them every winter despite the additional cost and effort.

As others have said, it's not just about traction it's also stopping and cornering traction, even on dry pavement in cold conditions (particularly with soft rubber compounds found on all non-studded versions). I can't speak for studded winter tires on dry pavement as I have never used them.

I've only been saved once by winter tires that I know of, but once is enough. I was turning 90 deg after leaving work and there was a layer of slick ice under a thick layer of fresh snow. I took the turn relatively slowly and proceeded to slide diagonally at a shocking rate. Stopped about 1 foot from the edge of the wide shoulder. Not a huge save, but it still shows what can happen at a moments notice when caught unawares. It's this unexpected dynamic that I buy the winter tires for.

That said, I do drive more aggressively with them at times , mitigating some of the benefits. Risk homeostasis is a real b*tch.
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As others have said, it's not just about traction it's also stopping and cornering traction, even on dry pavement in cold conditions (particularly with soft rubber compounds found on all non-studded versions). I can't speak for studded winter tires on dry pavement as I have never used them.
Pre-studded winters have the same soft tread compounds as non-studded [mainly because only a few models exist]. Studdable WINTERS also have the soft rubber compounds.

Biggest problem with studs on anything but ice or snowpack is noise. They are NOISY. Part of this may be the nokian style tread patterns many use now, but the studs themselves are noisy. The least noisy ones I've found are the Coopers that have little cups for the stud holes, and they still have soft compound and pretty good packed snow/ice traction. Difference between studs and studless is pretty easy to test, just stand on the gas on an ice/snow packed standing start and see how much faster you can move out without spinning--and think about what that means when you try to stop.

Have seen claims studs reduce dry traction, certainly doesn't seem to be the case as long as you aren't running slaloms, etc. and tend to behave myself a bit more in winter just because of the other folks on the road with crappy tires. Modern studs can handle any legal freeway speed, and some can handle 200+ mph.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

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The problem with the AT/3s is ice, real ice. I got so many scares last year here in NJ I'm definitively getting dedicated winter tires.

Greetings,

The problem with real ice is that real ice you need additional biting grip in a form of a stud or tire compound that is soft and could grip.

I was very close in purchasing the AT/3s, instead I went for the Nokian Rotiva AT. I felt that Nokian track record with winter conditions will benefit me more. I have some close calls driving in NYC were the gripping power of the tire helped me stop. This is the first AT tire that I feel comfortable in ice conditions.

If you are faced with various icing conditions, then a dedicated winter tire with a softer compound and proper siping of the tread block will be advantageous to you.

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