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Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

How many of you live in Canada or the snow belt? I've got my 2014 Overland with stock tires and 20" rims. I believe they're all season, but my wife drives this thing with our infant daughter and I want them to be as safe as possible.

I've read good things on the blizzaks. But, do I get them in OEM specs 265/50R20 (about $300/tire in canada) and reuse my 20" wheels, or go smaller (which size???) to save on the tires, but pay for new wheels?

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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

Lots of tire discussion in...the Suspension/Driveline/Brakes/Wheels/Tires section up above...
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

Snow? What's that
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

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How many of you live in Canada or the snow belt? I've got my 2014 Overland with stock tires and 20" rims. I believe they're all season, but my wife drives this thing with our infant daughter and I want them to be as safe as possible.

I've read good things on the blizzaks. But, do I get them in OEM specs 265/50R20 (about $300/tire in canada) and reuse my 20" wheels, or go smaller (which size???) to save on the tires, but pay for new wheels?
Technically our first snow happened in mid-August, but there is more today and expected thin dusting tonight.

You don't mention what type of driving and road types and how much snow you expect to get and whether or not you would be expecting to drive when it truly sucks outside or would not need to do so.

But, just given you live in Canada, I would suggest buying another set of wheels and fitting dedicated snow tires. Since you have the option of using 18's, that would open your choices a lot and likely save a few bucks.

From there, the Blizzaks are good, but there are equally good or better, depending on what your local laws allow.

Michelin X-Ice
Cooper Studded: WeatherMaster or Glacier Grip
Hankook Winter iPike with or without Studs
Norseman [Nokian sub brand] studded
Nokian Hakka 7 Studs

All but the Cooper have the Nokian style winter tread patterns.
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Top would be the Nokian Hakka 7 studded, but if you want to set a world speed record on ice, don't like to stay home during blizzards, or simply want the best winter tires available, they really aren't that much more expensive than the others.

Quietest would be the Coopers, even with studs. They also "track" like a good Michelin, with that driving on rails feature.

The Norseman is a cheaper Nokian.

The Hankook studded is quite good for bad winter, a bit noisy and feel somewhat squirmy.

Michelin X-Ice arguably have as much traction as anything but studs on low speed ice, and may actually be superior to studs at higher speeds--unless you count the Nokian Hakkas with their imbedded trapezoid studs that are pretty much immune to being thrown.
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In a word or two: Nokian Tires


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Yup, if they are good enough Bentleys driving at >200 mph on ice, or Cossacks driving Range Robers in Siberia, they should handle Canada.
Bit harder to locate south of the parallel, dunno 'bout north.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I have Michellin X-ice for my roadster (which I daily drive) and I'm pretty sure I can do better. I have one season left in them, then I'll pick up Blizzacks for next year (or maybe Nokian if I can find them in the right size). I ordered a set of Studded Nokian Hakkapeliittas for our up-armored Suburban at the Embassy in Moscow. They worked incredibly well! But neither example (my roadster or the light-armored vehicle) makes a good direct comparison to a 4x4 Grand Cherokee.

Nonetheless, I'd shop for Nokians if I was looking for a dedicated snow tire for a WK2.

Now my question

Off-roaders (I have limited experience here) - Do decent all-terrain tires (e.g. Goodyear Silent Armor / Terra Grapplers, etc.) do well as winter tires as well? I would like to only have one extra set of wheels/tires for my Jeep instead of a set for off-road, a set for winter, and a set for the rest of the year...
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Nonetheless, I'd shop for Nokians if I was looking for a dedicated snow tire for a WK2.

Now my question

Off-roaders (I have limited experience here) - Do decent all-terrain tires (e.g. Goodyear Silent Armor / Terra Grapplers, etc.) do well as winter tires as well? I would like to only have one extra set of wheels/tires for my Jeep instead of a set for off-road, a set for winter, and a set for the rest of the year...
Unfortunately no, not as good as a snowflaked winter tire.
For really deep snow, yeah they work pretty good, but it is rare that you'd actually drive on deep snow sufficient that it could be packed and used for extra traction by their typically deeper treads.

You might be able to get a bit better winter traction for slippery sloppy surfaces by aftermarket siping of them, but the real problem is the tread compounds just aren't as good as a premium winter tire.

If you don't need hard core either winter or offroad, it is hard to beat the Michelin MS/2 for both moderate offroad and surprisingly good winter driving. I used them to commute across Donner Pass a lot on an older Jeep where Ca don't allow studs. Cooper Weathermasters are also pretty good. No idea what your Goodyears can do as far as maintaining wet traction at low temps.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I also drive across Donner Pass regularly and have gone through some pretty heavy snowfall in both my Blizzaks and the Goodyear AT Adventures in the past year. Both did really well, but the Blizzaks definitely shine through when it starts to get slippery and I was really glad I got them when I did. Probably the best investment in the Jeep I've made so far.
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

I live in VT. Never been stuck with 4 wheel no matter what tire I've have. We have plows...
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I live in VT. Never been stuck with 4 wheel no matter what tire I've have. We have plows...
Never stuck but how's your stopping ability?
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Re: Winter's Coming - Let's talk snow tires

Well just plan ahead that there is a stop sign or light ahead. Drive slow when conditions are bad... I suppose in an emergency the snows may stop quicker but may not help at all. I stopped using snows 30 years ago. Vehicles now have so much better traction than they did 30-40 years ago and they use salt now too.
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