Go Back   Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum > Jeep Platform Discussion > Grand Cherokee - WK2 -

Join Jeep Garage Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
  #13  
Old 01-19-2011, 04:36 PM
Hitchhiking
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 876
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 0
MSCA is on a distinguished road
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technosavant View Post
I read it. It's even less concerning than if they'd steal the codes.

Why? Think about it. Although the equipment needed is inexpensive and easy to make for those with knowledge, it needs two people to pull it off (one near the vehicle, one near the owner, and you have to guess correctly). This means the average druggies won't do it- they are thinking "anten-WHAT?" They have neither the knowledge nor the capability. So this would be something that could be done by competent professionals, but why would they bother? It's a lot of effort to go to, and they'd be able to get in the vehicle and start it- ONCE. The moment they shut it off, they're done. We've established in other threads that there's no reason to steal one of these things for resale- they'd end up with a vehicle that cannot be titled, is difficult to start, and is worth a fraction of its value (which, although it isn't an economy vehicle, it is no six figure pasta rocket). So it's really only a concern for those interested in the parts. For the WK2, it hasn't been out long enough and sold enough for the parts to be that valuable, and they'd be better off pretending to be repo men and using a tow truck anyway.

It's a theoretical possibility under controlled conditions, but as a practical manner, I'd be extremely surprised if anybody ever actually lost a vehicle to this method of theft. If they want it that bad, they'll carjack you and then have the key. Less time, less trouble.
I wouldn't worry about joy riders or dirtbags looking for an easy score...but we're talking about people that actually steal cars for a living. I don't know where you live, but trust me, they're out there.

And it's common knowledge that stolen cars are worth much more in the sum of their parts than intact. That's why chop shops were born. The Grand Cherokee has been a very popular vehicle for many years and there's no reason to think the WK2 version won't be popular too.

Of course nobody here is saying that it can't happen, because it obviously can. What I'm hearing is more of the "don't worry, it probably won't happen" attitude and that's true. Most people's cars simply don't get stolen. But the unlucky ones that do won't feel any better about their back luck and poor odds. This is just one more way for it to happen. And it will happen...maybe not to you or me, but others will get stung. Guaranteed.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-19-2011, 04:40 PM
Hitchhiking
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 876
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 0
MSCA is on a distinguished road
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technosavant View Post
... I'd be extremely surprised if anybody ever actually lost a vehicle to this method of theft. If they want it that bad, they'll carjack you and then have the key. Less time, less trouble.
Car jacking involves getting the owner/driver and any potential passengers involved. Only the most desperate of criminals do that. For the most part, thieves go out of their way to avoid contact with the people their robbing, whether it's a car or items in a house etc...
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-19-2011, 05:03 PM
JTS97Z28's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2012 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Plainfield, IL
Posts: 1,466
Thanks: 0
Thanked 32 Times in 20 Posts
Rep Power: 25290
JTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond reputeJTS97Z28 has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to JTS97Z28
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Ive been reading these types of articles for years nothing new. Cars have had keyless access and push button start now for easily atleast 6 model years. For example my 2005 C6 vette had that (6 model years old). My car is parked in my garage every night and my work is surrounded by a 12' barbed wire fences with armed gaurds. Plus we all have insurance and either way I would assume the majority of us dont live in the ghetto.

James
__________________
2012 Overland...sold
2007 Acura TL Type S 6mt 14,000 miles
2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-19-2011, 05:09 PM
Hitchhiking
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 876
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 0
MSCA is on a distinguished road
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by JTS97Z28 View Post
Ive been reading these types of articles for years nothing new. Cars have had keyless access and push button start now for easily atleast 6 model years. For example my 2005 C6 vette had that (6 model years old). My car is parked in my garage every night and my work is surrounded by a 12' barbed wire fences with armed gaurds. Plus we all have insurance and either way I would assume the majority of us dont live in the ghetto.

James

Push button start with a proximity sensing key is just now going mainstream. I'd guess it's not even in half of all new cars available today. But I do think it will be standard equipment on almost all cars within the next 5-7 years.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-19-2011, 08:32 PM
Technosavant's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2011 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: STL, MO area
Posts: 1,292
Thanks: 1
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 2995
Technosavant has a reputation beyond reputeTechnosavant has a reputation beyond reputeTechnosavant has a reputation beyond reputeTechnosavant has a reputation beyond repute
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSCA View Post
Of course nobody here is saying that it can't happen, because it obviously can. What I'm hearing is more of the "don't worry, it probably won't happen" attitude and that's true. Most people's cars simply don't get stolen. But the unlucky ones that do won't feel any better about their back luck and poor odds. This is just one more way for it to happen. And it will happen...maybe not to you or me, but others will get stung. Guaranteed.
And how do you plan to protect against these professional thieves with their teams of well researched, capable, and trained individuals and their array of equipment? Do tell. Keep your key in a foil pouch, they'll bring a tow truck. You block the wheels, they jack it up. You remove a tire, they bring another.

This gets to an absolutely ludicrous point. I never said the pros weren't out there- I said there's darn few. I never said the GC wasn't popular, I said there's so few on the road (and this is likely to remain so for at least another couple years) that there isn't the parts demand right now.

The old advice about keeping your vehicle are true: don't leave valuables visible, don't leave keys in it, lock the vehicle. Park in a secured garage if at all possible (if they don't have all night, it cuts down on the risk). That will take care of the vast, VAST majority of theft issues.

For the rest, get insurance. They're still making them. There's no need to be paranoid. This article is overblown, I just don't see it becoming the issue you say. If it is that much a concern to you, I'd suggest maybe getting a Yugo, nobody wants to steal those.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-19-2011, 09:07 PM
Hitchhiking
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 876
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 0
MSCA is on a distinguished road
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technosavant View Post
And how do you plan to protect against these professional thieves with their teams of well researched, capable, and trained individuals and their array of equipment? Do tell.
You can't and I'm not saying that you can. The purpose of the article is to simply inform, not create mass hysteria. It's good to stay current with this kind of info. And who knows, but maybe just one person will decide to keep his keys away from that back door and out of range for a thief to grab the fob's frequency.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-19-2011, 09:12 PM
Hitchhiking
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 876
Thanks: 2
Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts
Rep Power: 0
MSCA is on a distinguished road
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by Technosavant View Post
....I just don't see it becoming the issue you say.
Where or when did I say this is going to be a big issue? I never even implied that....I just said it is possible and that it could happen. Just in case you missed it, I also said that it probably wouldn't happen to most people, including you and me.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-19-2011, 09:24 PM
Lingohocken's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2012 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bucks County, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,185
Thanks: 15
Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 3403
Lingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond reputeLingohocken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

There is no shortage of ways keyless entry/starting could be made affordably secure, including spread spectrum with dynamic codes. If car manufacturers, rather than customers and insurance companies, paid the costs associated with preventable auto thefts we would see meaningful keyless security in a heartbeat. Preventing towaways and carjackings is one thing, securing keyless entry is another.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 01-24-2012, 10:10 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 219
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 1309
comnjeep is on a distinguished road
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by MSCA View Post
That's funny. Imagine strapping a WK2 key under the vehicle?
I think the idea is strapping the spare door key part of the FOB under the car so you can't lock yourself out no matter how badly you try... I've thought of it, and now someone else apparently has too.

My dad locked his C6 vette keys in the car by having them in the car, but in the rear part and the car didn't recognize them as in the car... Technology is great until it fails.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01-24-2012, 10:41 PM
Member
My Jeep: 2011 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Winnipeg, Canada
Posts: 102
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 1218
ErikRP is on a distinguished road
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by comnjeep View Post
My dad locked his C6 vette keys in the car by having them in the car, but in the rear part and the car didn't recognize them as in the car... Technology is great until it fails.
Wow... an old thread resurrected.

Anyway, in the example you gave, I have to chalk locking one's keys in one's car as a human error, not a failure of technology. Technology on that vehicle did not claim you couldn't lock your keys in your car, just that there were some safeguards.

No offense intended but, like the saying goes, just when you think something is foolproof along comes a better fool.
__________________
WK2 Overland 4x4, 5.7L Hemi V8 with MDS, Multi-speed Overdrive Automatic with ERS, Quadra-Drive II with Rear ELSD, Off-Road Adventure Group II, Selec-Terrain, Quadra-Lift, Towing Group IV, Advanced Warning & Adaptive Cruise Control, Bright Silver Exterior with Beige Leather Interior, CommandView Sunroof, RHB 430N Sirius satellite radio. Added: Blizzak DM-V1 265/60R18 winter tires.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01-25-2012, 06:28 PM
Member
My Jeep: 2012 5.7L WK2
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Erin, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 211
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 1433
WoodyCanuck is a splendid one to behold
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Interesting article, thanks for re-posting it (I missed it the first time).

On the one hand we love our Jeeps, but hope they don't become TOO popular - ie on the 10 most wanted list.

Here is the latest info on the 10 most stolen, and <whew> our Grand Cherokee didn't make the list (this year):

The top 10 most frequently stolen vehicles in Canada are:

2009 Toyota Venza 4-door
1999 Honda Civic SiR 2-door
2000 Honda Civic SiR 2-door
2006 Ford F350 Pickup Truck 4WD
2002 Cadillac Escalade EXT 4-door AWD
2006 Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS 4-door 4WD
2007 Ford F350 Pickup Truck 4WD
2001 Pontiac Aztek 4-door AWD
1998 Acura Integra 2-door
1999 Acura Integra 2-door

From the 2011 Insurance Bureau of Canada statistics.
__________________
_________________
2012 GC Overland, Black w/Saddle Interior. Hemi QD II :D
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01-25-2012, 06:33 PM
BobsWK2's Avatar
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,574
Thanks: 3
Thanked 30 Times in 26 Posts
Rep Power: 49716
BobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond reputeBobsWK2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: WK2 owners - be careful with your keys

Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodyCanuck View Post
Interesting article, thanks for re-posting it (I missed it the first time).

On the one hand we love our Jeeps, but hope they don't become TOO popular - ie on the 10 most wanted list.

Here is the latest info on the 10 most stolen, and <whew> our Grand Cherokee didn't make the list (this year):

The top 10 most frequently stolen vehicles in Canada are:

2009 Toyota Venza 4-door
1999 Honda Civic SiR 2-door
2000 Honda Civic SiR 2-door
2006 Ford F350 Pickup Truck 4WD
2002 Cadillac Escalade EXT 4-door AWD
2006 Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS 4-door 4WD
2007 Ford F350 Pickup Truck 4WD
2001 Pontiac Aztek 4-door AWD
1998 Acura Integra 2-door
1999 Acura Integra 2-door

From the 2011 Insurance Bureau of Canada statistics.
I think they put the Pontiac Aztec on there as a joke. That thing has got to be one of the ugliest vehicles ever produced. Who in there right mind would actually steal one of those lumps?
__________________

__________________
2014 Summit 4X4, V8
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
A question for other WK2 owners jp467 Trouble Shooting/Problems/Service 3 01-07-2011 11:17 AM
Careful with the 20" wheels artw Suspension/Driveline/Brakes/Wheels/Tires 33 12-11-2010 09:21 AM
just curious... WK2 owners- how many miles so far? wk2overland Grand Cherokee - WK2 - 28 12-04-2010 07:24 PM
be careful of freezing temps! B.P.O.D Detailing 19 01-25-2010 02:13 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 - JeepGarage.Org
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Community

JeepGarage.org is in no way associated with or endorsed by Chrysler Group LLC.