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I love that it is standard on limited and overland. Nav I great especially when you are out of town with the fam looking for a particular restaurant.

And Lingohocken, it is nice to have Nav here in backwards Wrightstown. I gotta drive 15 mins just to find a Wawa.
Its not standard on the Limited just the overland.
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There must be a reason why Mercedes Benz,and Porsche has air suspension on their automobile,and range rover, if its good enough for them, it is good enough for the north Americans
Sure thing, air suspension CAN be done well, BUT, it is just as common to have poorly tuned and developed air suspension.
To be honest, it is one feature that would scare the hell out of me if I owned the vehicle out of warranty period. Everything that has run air suspension, from Lexus to Land Rover, have had casostrophic failures and extreme costs involved to have the systems repaired out of warranty.

I'm just trying to say, keep your eyes open to this kind of tech.
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Sure thing, air suspension CAN be done well, BUT, it is just as common to have poorly tuned and developed air suspension.
To be honest, it is one feature that would scare the hell out of me if I owned the vehicle out of warranty period. Everything that has run air suspension, from Lexus to Land Rover, have had casostrophic failures and extreme costs involved to have the systems repaired out of warranty.

I'm just trying to say, keep your eyes open to this kind of tech.
There must be a reason why people continue to buy these vehicle,even with those so call catastrophic failure.Ride quality with these vehicle with such technology has air suspension is like a magic carpet ride,no bump and rattle and squeaks,anybody that does not want this type of technology on their jeep can purchase the jeep without it,that is why Chrysler gave us choice.
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Re: WK2 Testdrive/Ordering Experience

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Sure thing, air suspension CAN be done well, BUT, it is just as common to have poorly tuned and developed air suspension.
To be honest, it is one feature that would scare the hell out of me if I owned the vehicle out of warranty period. Everything that has run air suspension, from Lexus to Land Rover, have had casostrophic failures and extreme costs involved to have the systems repaired out of warranty.

I'm just trying to say, keep your eyes open to this kind of tech.
I'm going to have to agree with Ben here. FACTORY air suspensions are beset with a myriad of problems and known failures. After market air ride suspensions however have come a loooooong way. They're even being used in abusive sports driving like drifting. If I was going to go air-ride, I would definitely go after market. There is a guy in Detroit installing air-ride with such finish quality as to look factory, and perform better!
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There must be a reason why people continue to buy these vehicle,even with those so call catastrophic failure.Ride quality with these vehicle with such technology has air suspension is like a magic carpet ride,no bump and rattle and squeaks,anybody that does not want this type of technology on their jeep can purchase the jeep without it,that is why Chrysler gave us choice.
Most people who buy these high end SUV's only keep them for the duration of warranty period, and seldom venture off the tarmac.

In reply to your bold text, I say it CAN be as you describe, but not always. I say this from experience, the Porsche Cayenne and VW Toureg ride MUCH better when equiped with steel springs, not air. The air suspended versions are far more "jiggly" at low speeds. One must keep in mind that there is still shock absorbers in the system, and something needs to control body movement, therefore you find that on air suspended models the shocks are usuially much stiffer valved, with the resultant drop in ride quality.

The "no bumps, no squeeks" argument is more due to the high level of build quality and body stiffness that is inherent with these European built and designed vehicles.

And thankfully there is a least an option to choose it!
I for one would like to have the air suspension, but only once it has proven itself to me in reliability and has a good ride/handling compromise.

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the WK uses air springs(bags inside of the springs if I remember correctly) along with shocks. My guess is the bags are just used to raise and lower the WK2....and thee springs do the "controlling" of the ride. You guys are putting the system down before you have even tried it or it has had a chance to prove itself. You cant base whats going to happen with the WK2 due to completely different automakers air systems.
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Sure thing, air suspension CAN be done well, BUT, it is just as common to have poorly tuned and developed air suspension.
To be honest, it is one feature that would scare the hell out of me if I owned the vehicle out of warranty period. Everything that has run air suspension, from Lexus to Land Rover, have had casostrophic failures and extreme costs involved to have the systems repaired out of warranty.

I'm just trying to say, keep your eyes open to this kind of tech.
My dads 04 Lincoln Navigator front suspension went out and after the 1st dealership said they couldn't fix it after the 3rd or 4th time there, we took it up to another dealership were a fixed it but then when ever the suspension was letting the air out, it would sound like a train horn. Good thing for my dad that it was still in warranty but the suspension was NEVER the way it was after they "fixed" it.
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the WK uses air springs(bags inside of the springs if I remember correctly) along with shocks. My guess is the bags are just used to raise and lower the WK2....and thee springs do the "controlling" of the ride. You guys are putting the system down before you have even tried it or it has had a chance to prove itself. You cant base whats going to happen with the WK2 due to completely different automakers air systems.
This sounds a little bit better than what's been used in domestic factory air ride so far.
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Barho, Linda at the old deli is going to smack you good for that Wawa comment.

As you may already know from the school of lost knocks, many navs (inboard or outboard) don't work properly for certain roads in ye olde secreted Wrightstown. But the point is that portable nav systems and nav apps for the iPhone and other phones make inboard nav systems about as up-to-date as ye olde built-in carphones that were superseded by carry-around cellphones. Most inboard navs can't even be programmed on the fly.

If folks want an inboard nav system, three cheers. But I feel it's clunky and overpriced, given the alternatives, so I'd much prefer a pocket nav. Problem is, Jeep doesn't allow cranky buyers like me to make a choice.

BTW, Barho, Lansdale Jeep in Montgomeryville has the most 2011 GCs around here, although they are selling so fast that who knows what they have at the moment. Lansdale also is the only nearby Jeep dealer that gets a checkmark in Consumers Checkbook. Have you tried Flemington Jeep, cuz I can't find out a thing about them.
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Re: WK2 Testdrive/Ordering Experience

Some of you are just plain old cheap skate,that does not like things to evolve,and change,I see little south Korea making some really good quality automobiles,Japan and the Europeans are making automobiles that they are dumping here in North America,and the North American consumers is buying all of them,because they want quality refined automobile to drive,North American automobile company realize that they cannot continue to compete with the import automobile by making sub standard automobile that lack current technology by catering to a few North American cheap skates,actually it cost more money to maintained these cheap sub standard automobile in the long run,which also pollute the environment than a good modern technology advance automobile.GM realize that long time ago,that is why a gm Cadillac car is just as good as any Mercedes Benz or BMW.Chrysler also is finding this out too that most north American consumer is willing to pay extra $ for quality automobiles.
For all the cheap skates that is out there that help contributed to the destruction of the America automobile by pressuring them to make cheap sub standard lousy automobile,I recommend that you all drive automobile like Fred Flinstone,very primitive where you jump into your wooden automobile and use your foot to start the vehicle to go back and forth to complete your daily activities
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I want to rent one, so I can fool everyone into thinking I got a new one.

Watch out soon, your nearest Hertz just might have a few from the rumors I've been hearing.
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...I recommend...
I recommend you study some punctuation, grammar, sentence structure and vocabulary. Try again when you can form your thoughts into coherent ideas and then communicate them.

Hurry back so I can tell you how wrong you are too. About the only thing you said that I agree with(and understand) is Korea is finally making some quality vehicles.
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