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Re: Would it upset you?

I have zero problem with this.. i havn't seen one single thing that makes me think we built anything better than they do.. go for the best price
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:19 AM
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I wouldn't be upset, if it works well and is priced reasonably why be upset?


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Re: Would it upset you?

I'm always find it amazing when people in 21st century still compare Made in China = cheap product. It's not about where is made the quality come back to the selling company. No argument there cheap under pay sweat factories in China. But there also super clean room, fully automated factories in China with high paying employees that match US pay standard (Yes it a lot of money when compare to average China standard).

Here an example I work in a company that design electric product that sell worldwide. We take a product to BestBuy with a price X and a suggested MSRP, show them our QC standard on the product and pass issue/return rate. BestBuy is happy with the product and take it.

Same product take to Walmart they look at the QC standard and like it but not the price. Want a 10% off the price, sure we can do it. We will have to use a low grade plastic and internal electric, but due to low grade material we will have to lower our tolerance for the QC standard. And also lower the 3 year warranty to 1 year warranty. Guest what Walmart say ok do it.

Same product take to a Japan. They say price is good but QC is bad. We like to have tighter standard and better quality. No problem we're use higher grade material with tighter inspection. And if needed we will even move the production to another factory per your approval, but it will cost you 10% more. We even say the current standard is already a high standard for US and EU it should be good enough. Retail come back yes is good but is not good enough for our company and Japanese consumer. Our consumer view quality more then price. We can sell the product at 10% more if it meet our quality.

So I guess people should be paying more attention of who their buying stuff from, then where is the product made. How much they willing to spend is also a big factor. Its really true you get what you pay for.
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Re: Would it upset you?

Same here, side rails/step, sill covers, rear cargo cover. Maybe the list was made when engines were sourced in Mexico and transmissions from Germany.
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Re: Would it upset you?

My assumption is that the original poster wasn't complaining about cheap (poorly made) parts, just that they aren't made in America.

I'm one of those people who pays more to buy American-made products when I have a choice.


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My assumption is that the original poster wasn't complaining about cheap (poorly made) parts, just that they aren't made in America.

I'm one of those people who pays more to buy American-made products when I have a choice.
Exactly im not complaining im just asking a question, in the different forums i have been at i have gotten different reaction, im glad that WK2 owners are not narrow minded and can understand tht a country does not determine quality.

Wk2 owners are more diverse and educated than other forums i have participated on, and im happy and proud to be part of this group.
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Re: Would it upset you?

Yes. It also bothered my that my very expensive Mopar accessories (splash guards and step bars) were also made in China.
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Re: Would it upset you?

I have to correct myself; the skid plate boxes did in fact have "Made in USA" on them...along with the slush & cargo mats. The upgraded pedals, and tow hooks I believe were made in China. Don't know about the mudflaps, they were installed by the dealership.
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Re: Would it upset you?

Whether we like it or not, the world is shrinking, and at an ever increasing pace. The future is speeding towards us, and technology brings that future to us faster every day. The renaissance created by the industrial revolution, and the spread of this renaissance made possible by the information age (part of which is this forum) is introducing our material world to all parts of the globe, and they're liking it very much. Capitalism fuels competition, and if we're going to be winners we must compete with an ever growing list of players all around the world. Isolation is impossible. I've watched the industrial manufacturing base of my region shrink drastically over the last twenty years. My former employer bled off over ten thousand jobs during that period. But what will win is providing something that no one else can, and that could be a product, an innovation, a value added to another product, anything we can do better than the competition. The title of this thread, "Would it upset you?", is very apropos. It should upset us if we're not doing anything to win. Parts of our Jeeps will undoubtedly be manufactured in other parts of the world, because they can do it better. But I think we should all take some comfort in knowing that the folks at JNAP are selling everything they can build, adding employees, and for all intents and purposes, winning at the game of auto manufacturing. We need to put it all in perspective. But hard work and cooperation will win every time.
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Re: Would it upset you?

This concept of a "Global Economy" will never be fair to the workers of this country unless all the other countries involved are playing by the same rules when it comes to following U.S. regulations.

Why should goods manufactured & sold in the U.S. follow all the U.S. safety rules & regulations, but businesses who contract manufacturing outside the U.S. (namely in China) be allowed to sell products here that are not constrained to these very same U.S. regulations?

That's called an unfair competitive advantage, with the workers of the U.S. first dealing with this problem back in the 90's when NAFTA was first implemented. These days the "Giant Sucking Sound" comes from China.
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Why should goods manufactured & sold in the U.S. follow all the U.S. safety rules & regulations, but businesses who contract manufacturing outside the U.S. (namely in China) be allowed to sell products here that are not constrained to these very same U.S. regulations?

That's called an unfair competitive advantage, with the workers of the U.S. first dealing with this problem back in the 90's when NAFTA was first implemented. These days the "Giant Sucking Sound" comes from China.
Totally agreed, but on the other end of the stick. This monster was created by us and corporate greed. Regulation or not if we the consumer choice not to buy products made from a countries that does not have good safety rule & regulations these companies wouldn't even exist.

ie imagine one day we went home and ~65% of all our belonging is gone. Since the other 35% will be what we can "really" afford to buy if every items that was made according to US worker regulation standard. I not totally sure most people can live with that image these day. I sure our parent and grandparent would be fine, because that what it was back in the days. I probably can as I was in military for 8 yrs and all I have was two seabags and couple of boxes. Would I want too most likely not.
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My post wasn't judgmental, just a look at reality. I agree that a lot of what is happening really sucks, especially for American workers. But as has been stated, there's a new world order, and the multinational corporations are at the top of the food chain. If we are to survive, we will have to adapt to the new rules. They owe allegiance to no one country, and profit is their sole reason for existence. You don't like it, and I don't like it, but we'll all have to learn to live with it. China is slowly becoming a polluted environment worse than anything we created here in the 20th century. India has a population with more educated middle class workers than the U.S. They all want our standard of living, and will do whatever is necessary to gain that. In a world of finite resources and exploding population, what do you think will be the end game? I don't think it will be pretty. So, what are the answers? It's all well above my pay grade. I certainly don't envy the younger generations, but survival is a very strong instinct.
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