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#1 ·
If your all-american Jeep's / Chrysler exported from Detroit Motor City... Moab Rubicon wheels have a nice Made in China stamp??



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#2 · (Edited)
Is it the fact the wheels were made elsewhere or just Made in China that bothers you? No car is totally made in the US. Parts are sourced out to where the cheapest usable parts can be had. Rams are made sin Mexico using US made Cummins engines--and some have opined that Mexican made Rams actually have better fit and finish than US/UAW made Rams. Lets not even talk about Chevy trucks and where they get their parts. Yet I continually see Sinophobic bashing that is absent in products made in Germany, France, England, or anywhere else in Europe. Come to think of it, your headlights, wiring harness, door handles, lift rods, brake pads, rotors, spare tire, rubber seals, light bulbs, turn signals, horn, hoses, etc., are most likley Chinese made as well. So tell us know what bothers you, wheels being sourced from another country or just from China.

Of course if you are referring to Chinese made parts that may be of lesser quality because the Chinese manufacturers have a long history of manufacturing products that are slipshod and dangerous, from tainted pet food, to fake medicines, to rotten dry walls in Florida, to horrible tires, to rat meat labled as expensive mutton, then you may have a point.
 
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It dont bother me a bit, i guess that WK2 owners are more relax about this sort of things than the XJ or cherokee.. In my previous forum this would be a hell raiser...

Im cool just curious to peoples reaction to were parts are made.
 
#8 ·
If you buy a japanese vehicle these days, a lot of the parts and most of the assembly is done in the USA... doesn't upset many. Its now a truly global economy, we just have to accept it.
 
#10 · (Edited)
"The 10 most truly made-in-America cars" - article just came out today.

Jeep Compass, Patriot and Wrangler made the list but not the GC for some reason which is odd, maybe it got overlooked or because of the rims made in China!!! LOL

http://www.marke****ch.com/story/the-10-most-truly-made-in-america-cars-2013-05-22

^^^ link is being auto censured due to the T W A T in the word M A R K E T W A T C H. To get to the link cut and paste and replace the **** with T W A T. I guess the censor system is pretty sensitive! LOL
 
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I'm always find it amazing when people in 21st century still compare Made in China = cheap product. It's not about where is made the quality come back to the selling company. No argument there cheap under pay sweat factories in China. But there also super clean room, fully automated factories in China with high paying employees that match US pay standard (Yes it a lot of money when compare to average China standard).

Here an example I work in a company that design electric product that sell worldwide. We take a product to BestBuy with a price X and a suggested MSRP, show them our QC standard on the product and pass issue/return rate. BestBuy is happy with the product and take it.

Same product take to Walmart they look at the QC standard and like it but not the price. Want a 10% off the price, sure we can do it. We will have to use a low grade plastic and internal electric, but due to low grade material we will have to lower our tolerance for the QC standard. And also lower the 3 year warranty to 1 year warranty. Guest what Walmart say ok do it.

Same product take to a Japan. They say price is good but QC is bad. We like to have tighter standard and better quality. No problem we're use higher grade material with tighter inspection. And if needed we will even move the production to another factory per your approval, but it will cost you 10% more. We even say the current standard is already a high standard for US and EU it should be good enough. Retail come back yes is good but is not good enough for our company and Japanese consumer. Our consumer view quality more then price. We can sell the product at 10% more if it meet our quality.

So I guess people should be paying more attention of who their buying stuff from, then where is the product made. How much they willing to spend is also a big factor. Its really true you get what you pay for.
 
#17 ·
My assumption is that the original poster wasn't complaining about cheap (poorly made) parts, just that they aren't made in America.

I'm one of those people who pays more to buy American-made products when I have a choice.


I'm always find it amazing when people in 21st century still compare Made in China = cheap product. .... So I guess people should be paying more attention of who their buying stuff from, then where is the product made. How much they willing to spend is also a big factor. Its really true you get what you pay for.
 
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Whether we like it or not, the world is shrinking, and at an ever increasing pace. The future is speeding towards us, and technology brings that future to us faster every day. The renaissance created by the industrial revolution, and the spread of this renaissance made possible by the information age (part of which is this forum) is introducing our material world to all parts of the globe, and they're liking it very much. Capitalism fuels competition, and if we're going to be winners we must compete with an ever growing list of players all around the world. Isolation is impossible. I've watched the industrial manufacturing base of my region shrink drastically over the last twenty years. My former employer bled off over ten thousand jobs during that period. But what will win is providing something that no one else can, and that could be a product, an innovation, a value added to another product, anything we can do better than the competition. The title of this thread, "Would it upset you?", is very apropos. It should upset us if we're not doing anything to win. Parts of our Jeeps will undoubtedly be manufactured in other parts of the world, because they can do it better. But I think we should all take some comfort in knowing that the folks at JNAP are selling everything they can build, adding employees, and for all intents and purposes, winning at the game of auto manufacturing. We need to put it all in perspective. But hard work and cooperation will win every time.
 
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This concept of a "Global Economy" will never be fair to the workers of this country unless all the other countries involved are playing by the same rules when it comes to following U.S. regulations.

Why should goods manufactured & sold in the U.S. follow all the U.S. safety rules & regulations, but businesses who contract manufacturing outside the U.S. (namely in China) be allowed to sell products here that are not constrained to these very same U.S. regulations?

That's called an unfair competitive advantage, with the workers of the U.S. first dealing with this problem back in the 90's when NAFTA was first implemented. These days the "Giant Sucking Sound" comes from China.
 
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Why should goods manufactured & sold in the U.S. follow all the U.S. safety rules & regulations, but businesses who contract manufacturing outside the U.S. (namely in China) be allowed to sell products here that are not constrained to these very same U.S. regulations?

That's called an unfair competitive advantage, with the workers of the U.S. first dealing with this problem back in the 90's when NAFTA was first implemented. These days the "Giant Sucking Sound" comes from China.
Totally agreed, but on the other end of the stick. This monster was created by us and corporate greed. Regulation or not if we the consumer choice not to buy products made from a countries that does not have good safety rule & regulations these companies wouldn't even exist.

ie imagine one day we went home and ~65% of all our belonging is gone. Since the other 35% will be what we can "really" afford to buy if every items that was made according to US worker regulation standard. I not totally sure most people can live with that image these day. I sure our parent and grandparent would be fine, because that what it was back in the days. I probably can as I was in military for 8 yrs and all I have was two seabags and couple of boxes. Would I want too most likely not.
 
#24 ·
My post wasn't judgmental, just a look at reality. I agree that a lot of what is happening really sucks, especially for American workers. But as has been stated, there's a new world order, and the multinational corporations are at the top of the food chain. If we are to survive, we will have to adapt to the new rules. They owe allegiance to no one country, and profit is their sole reason for existence. You don't like it, and I don't like it, but we'll all have to learn to live with it. China is slowly becoming a polluted environment worse than anything we created here in the 20th century. India has a population with more educated middle class workers than the U.S. They all want our standard of living, and will do whatever is necessary to gain that. In a world of finite resources and exploding population, what do you think will be the end game? I don't think it will be pretty. So, what are the answers? It's all well above my pay grade. I certainly don't envy the younger generations, but survival is a very strong instinct.
 
#25 ·
How much will it cost for the same product to be produced in teh US with US regulations, US taxes, and US union demands? 15% more? 20% more, 35% more? Please raiase your hand if you are willing to pay 35% more for every plastic bin, trans can, gardening tool, package of underwear, mud flap, radio, TV, table lamp, etc. Every dollar spent is another dollar that cannot buy more food, saved in the bank, buy shoes for teh kids, etc. Jacko15 is absolutely right. To compete, we cannot go head on with countries tha can make low level TVs or sew underwear cheaply, but must add value or innovation to the product that less technologically advanced countrries cannot do. A Foreign Affairs magazine article recently discussed Germany's success in manufacturing--they focused on higher tecnology products that other countries cannot replicate with an uneducated workforce. Companies like Siemens and BMW and Bosch produce products that India and China can't compete with, yet.

Life is not fair. Global competition is not fair and NEVER WILL BE FAIR. We need to get over this schoolyard notion that China is not playing fair. China is experiencing their own competition from Vietnam and Pakistan. Ir ain't fair but they're not whining. They just go around and get ahead. We need to stop whinig about "fairness" and make a better product at a better price or do what they can't do.
 
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