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Old 03-14-2012, 11:04 AM
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Thumbs down Zag & Truecar Prices

Zag & Truecar changed their price page you can no longer see invoice only MSRP & Target Price.
Also their price on 2012 GC overland 4X4 with ORA2 is wrong $995 the correct price is 275 so if pricing using truecar.com be aware it will raise your target price. I emailed them 6 weeks ago & they still have the wrong price.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:11 PM
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Re: Zag & Truecar Prices

Somebody finally got to them, and it's not surprising. Zag is a bitter four-letter word among virtually all car salespeople. But even the Zag concept is begging the question of moving the order process into the 21st century.

It's amazing that you can go to any car manufacturer's Build Your Own page, set up exactly what you want, and still you have to waddle over, in person or virtually, to a dealer's commissioned salesperson to go through the whole ordering exercise again from scratch and also cover his useless fee.

Instead, once you've filled in your build page, there should be a link to allow all dealers within "X" miles to reply with a final custom-construct bid, or two bids if a dealer has exactly that configuration in inventory.

There are countless possible variations on this, but still the industry goes on processing orders as if it is 1950. Dealers could eliminate their sales forces and instead have one person at each dealership to put out bid prices as consumer requests come in from the manufacturer's build page.

If the sales commission savings were split evenly between buyers and dealers, the vehicle would be cheaper and dealers would still make more money. And the manufacturer could reimburse dealers for each test drive taken by a prospective customer.
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Old 03-16-2012, 10:48 AM
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Re: Zag & Truecar Prices

There are a lot of sales models and have seen most of them tried (remember when the Saturn was introduced, Sion ?) It comes back to the point that most Americans seem to want instant gratification and it is more a matter of what they can be convinced they can afford in a monthly payment.

Consider it a matter of prey attracts predators, and the most successful predator s rise to the top. Natural selection. Great ones become politicians.

Consider that a compliment to a salesman is the ability to sell what is neither wanted nor needed (icebox to an eskimo).

Fact is that participants in this forum are in the minority (127k WK2s sold last year, 12,000 in February). I suspect that we are recognised by salesmen quickly and tend to have a less-than-pleasurable experience compared to the "bright-shiney-want now" group. Why else would so much chrome and plastic wood be available (at slight additional charge. Most people have little desire to "slip under the radar" when driving. See the exchange in "Be Cool" about the Hummers. (Personally enjoy the comedies with John Travolta).

I suspect it is a mark of just how rich the US is that just about anyone with a permanent address can buy a GC. Whether they should or are able to afford it is Someone Else's Problem, not the salesman's (unless they get rejected for financing).

To most, they could care less about DOHC or VVT but feel obligated to check MPG and range (and hopefully safety if they have kids) but real engineers know how to study the rules and optomise for them (possibly why the EPA has to keep changing their standards).

So both the fed and the auto companies impose a rules system that auto dealers must operate within (even for a cash sale the paperwork is mind boggling), and all of the various fees and charges are amazing (as is knowing which are real and which are ADP) but having a copy of Open Office (I use Excel, but OO is free) makes lfe simpler.

Now I was fortunate when I bought mine in that the the dealer I wanted to use had two near idetical ones on the lot and there were several (are three dealers within twenty miles of me, more if you go fifty including one of Pat's) in the area so put together a reasonable OTD offer which included some meat for the salesman/dealer and was accepted within two days of negotiation (only had to leave once).

So our system may not be ideal and there are ways to get an "unfair advantage" they takes setting up long in advance. It is what it is and has been this way since the first horse was sold.

Today "information wants to be free" (so why is it so hard to buy a service manual ?) and there is a cost/benefit/effort equation at work. But you hit diminishing returns quickly. Anyone can find out just about everything about the process in an hour online.

Me ? I plan to develop a relationship with this dealer at least to the point where I can call and not have to go through all of the hoops designed to keep people from Those Who Know so left a few benjamins on the table. Have already saved some money on real MoPar parts that were left off a Laredo "E". Something about not binding the kine...

Personally suspect that 2012 before tax day is an excellent time to buy a new car and can already see price creep (the MSRP and mandatory options seem to change daily, destination charge is already $100 over others), expect that after November inflation/interest rates will get "interesting" (remember 1985 ?).

Enough.
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2012 GC Overland OFR2 is $995. If the Overland has the Summit package, OFR2 is $275.
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Re: Zag & Truecar Prices

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2012 GC Overland OFR2 is $995. If the Overland has the Summit package, OFR2 is $275.
I just ordered a Reg Overland not a summit with ORA2 for $275.00. On Zag truecar.com- it has ORA2 for $995.00 for reg Overland that's wrong!
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:13 PM
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I just ordered a Reg Overland not a summit with ORA2 for $275.00. On Zag truecar.com- it has ORA2 for $995.00 for reg Overland that's wrong!
It looks like you're right. Jeep.com has it in the build configure that way as well now. That said, I bought mine on March 7th, and the week prior I just about burned up the build app on Jeep.com trying to figure out exactly what I wanted. At that time on an Overland it was $995. I know, because it was the option I was having the hardest time saying yes or no too.
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It looks like you're right. Jeep.com has it in the build configure that way as well now. That said, I bought mine on March 7th, and the week prior I just about burned up the build app on Jeep.com trying to figure out exactly what I wanted. At that time on an Overland it was $995. I know, because it was the option I was having the hardest time saying yes or no too.
Jeep.com was 275.00 for at least 3 months . Truecar had it wrong for at least 3 mouths from when i was looking at Overlands.
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I found the difference.

With a V6 OFR2 is $275 on an Overland.
With a V8 OFR2 is $995 on an Overland.
With a V8 OFR2 is $275 on an Overland Summit.

Probably because only the V8 gets the ELSD.
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Good Job Ashton.
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