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Old 10-11-2009, 08:25 PM
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Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

Since I installed these srt eibach lowering springs my front tires are tilted inward on the top, from looking straight on from the front. Can this be adjusted by myself?
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:29 PM
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

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Since I installed these srt eibach lowering springs my front tires are tilted inward on the top, from looking straight on from the front. Can this be adjusted by myself?
it can be adjusted yes, if you have the required tools and skills, but to "correct" the camber it needs to be done by a professional on a wheel alignment machine.
Attempting to adjust it by eye will result in an epic failure.
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

i posted all this somewherre before but i cant find it:

so here goes; text from 2007 manual.

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CAUTION: STEERING COLUMN MODULE IS CENTERED TO THE VEHICLES STEERING SYSTEM. FAILURE TO KEEP THE SYSTEM AND STEERING COLUMN MODULE CENTERED AND LOCKED/INHIBITED FROM ROTATING CAN RESULT IN STEERING COLUMN MODULE DAMAGE. (Refer to 8 - ELECTRICAL/RESTRAINTS/CLOCKSPRING - STANDARD PROCEDURE).





NOTE: Suspension components with rubber/urethane bushings should be tightened with the vehicle at normal ride height. It is important to have the springs supporting the weight of the vehicle when the fasteners are torqued. If springs are not at their normal ride position, vehicle ride comfort could be affected and premature bushing wear may occur.

Wheel alignment involves the correct positioning of the wheels in relation to the vehicle. The positioning is accomplished through suspension and steering linkage adjustments. An alignment is considered essential for efficient steering, good directional stability and to minimize tire wear. The most important measurements of an alignment are caster, camber and toe.

CAUTION: Never attempt to modify suspension or steering components by heating or bending.

OPERATION




CASTER (1) is the forward or rearward tilt of the steering knuckle from vertical. Tilting the top of the knuckle forward provides less positive caster. Tilting the top of the knuckle rearward provides more positive caster. Positive caster promotes directional stability. This angle enables the front wheels to return to a straight ahead position after turns.
CAMBER (2) is the inward or outward tilt of the wheel relative to the center of the vehicle. Tilting the top of the wheel inward provides negative camber. Tilting the top of the wheel outward provides positive camber. Incorrect camber will cause wear on the inside or outside edge of the tire.
TOE (4) is the difference between the leading inside edges and trailing inside edges of the front tires. Wheel toe position out of specification cause's unstable steering, uneven tire wear and steering wheel off- center. The wheel toe position is the final front wheel alignment adjustment.
THRUST ANGLE (3) is the angle of the rear axle relative to the centerline of the vehicle. Incorrect thrust angle can cause off-center steering and excessive tire wear. This angle is not adjustable, damaged component(s) must be replaced to correct the thrust angle.

CURB HEIGHT MEASUREMENT
The wheel alignment is to be checked and all alignment adjustments made with the vehicle at its required curb height specification.

Vehicle height is to be checked with the vehicle on a flat, level surface, preferably a vehicle alignment rack. The tires are to be inflated to the recommended pressure. All tires are to be the same size as standard equipment. Vehicle height is checked with the fuel tank full of fuel, and no passenger or luggage compartment load.

Inspect the vehicle for bent or weak suspension components. Compare the parts tag on the suspect coil spring(s) to the parts book and the vehicle sales code, checking for a match. Once removed from the vehicle, compare the coil spring height to a correct new or known good coil spring. The heights should vary if the suspect spring is weak.






1. Front Wheel Center Height – Measure the vertical distance between the front wheel center (1) and the ground (3).
2. Front Cradle Height – On each side of the vehicle, measure the vertical distance between the center of the lower control arm forward pivot bolt (2) to the ground (3) Record the measurement.
3. Take the two measurements and subract them to get the ride height specification.




4. Rear – On each side of the vehicle, measure the distance from the axle tube (2) and the bottom of the upper spring perch (1).
5. Compare the measurements to the specifications listed in the following Curb Height Specifications chart.


CAMBER, CASTER AND TOE ADJUSTMENT
Camber and caster angle adjustments involve changing the position of the lower control arm with the slots in the frame brackets to move the lower control arm inwards or outwards for proper adjustment. This can be achieved by using a long pry bar with a curved tip and inserting the pry bar into the lower control arm frame brackets and prying inwards or outwards.

NOTE: Camber and caster adjustments must be made at the lower control arm. Do not use the upper control arm for Camber and Caster adjustments.

NOTE: When the lower control arm pivot bolts are loosened the lower control arm will normally go outwards automatically with the weight of the vehicle.



CASTER
Moving the rear position of the lower control arm at the frame in or out, will change the caster angle significantly and camber angle only slightly. To maintain the camber angle while adjusting caster, move the rear of the lower control arm in or out. Then move the front of the lower control arm slightly in the opposite direction.



CAMBER
Move both the front and rear of the lower control arm together in or out. This will change the camber angle significantly and caster angle slightly.

After adjustment is made tighten the lower control arm bolt & nuts to FRONT169 Nm (125 ft. lbs.) and the REAR 88 Nm (65 ft. lbs.).



TOE ADJUSTMENT




The wheel toe position adjustment is the final adjustment.


1. Start the engine and turn wheels both ways before straightening the wheels. Secure the steering wheel with the front wheels in the straight-ahead position.
2. Loosen the tie rod jam nuts (3).
NOTE: Each front wheel should be adjusted for one-half of the total toe position specification. This will ensure the steering wheel will be centered when the wheels are positioned straight-ahead.


3. Adjust the wheel toe position by turning the inner tie rod (4) as necessary.
4. Tighten the tie rod jam nut (3) to 75Nm (55 ft. lbs.).
5. Verify the specifications.
6. Turn off engine.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:51 PM
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

Wow, so basically I have to use a pry bar and bend the lower control arm to reposition it?

And no, I wouldnt be "eyeballing" it, I will be taking measurements between the tops of the tires relative to the bottoms(on the ground). The only reason I say I think I need adjusting is yes, just by looking at my tires straight on they are def in more on the tops than the bottoms, which to me will equal uneven tire wear. I would rather try to fix it now instead of waiting till my tires are chewed up on the insides.

And im sorry to say, I do not trust anyone working on my car. Point being I recently had a tire show try and sell me a 4 wheel thrust alignment, when after talking to a real mechanic told me the rear wheels cant even be adjusted and it was a scam to get my money from that shop.
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

Dude, if you're asking "I have to use a pry bar and bend the lower control arm to reposition it?" you really really need to leave it alone and find a shop thats trustworthy to do it. Ask your friends who they'd recommend.
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

I would only let a professional handle this........
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Old 10-12-2009, 09:27 AM
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

Its not necessarily a scam. Alot of shops will tell you you need a 4 wheel alignment out of pure habbit. The wont do a front end alignment and charge you for a 4 wheel if a 4 wheel cant be done. They will figure it out once they put your make and model in the system, if its a genuine shop.

I always have town fair tire do my alignments because through trial and error, they have the best price, and from research ive done they have the most modern equipment to do the work. They even said to me 4 wheel alignment, and then corrected them self when they put my truck in to the system and it comes up as front end only.

Your buddy is just trying to scare you.
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

I said use a pry bar because I read Rob's post quick, where it says:

"CAMBER, CASTER AND TOE ADJUSTMENT
Camber and caster angle adjustments involve changing the position of the lower control arm with the slots in the frame brackets to move the lower control arm inwards or outwards for proper adjustment. This can be achieved by using a long pry bar with a curved tip and inserting the pry bar into the lower control arm frame brackets and prying inwards or outwards. "

Unless im reading it wrong. And I ended up going with TownFairTire in NH on Amherst Street. I went online and did the price match deal they offer using tirerack.coms prices. I actually went to the Billerica store with everything printed up from off there own site with a price of $427 for tires and install w/alignment and balancing, and the guy there said thats not the "real" price i'd have to pay, then quoted me an insane price over $800 and told me a thrust alignment is def needed, so I left pissed off feeling scammed. I went back on there site and ordered directly thru it, but my tires somehow got sent to CT instead, after calling 3 diff stores the guy at the Amherst St store found them and told me he will have them delivered to his store. I def recommend ONLY that store from my experiences with the other 3 around me. The manager there is great, let me go back and see everything, assured me my new chrome rims wouldnt be scratched at all, only hand tools used, even swapped my TPMS out and remounted my old tires on my stock rims for free. If anyones around the Nashua NH area I def recommend going to that TownFairTire on Amherst St. Oh, and it was the guy at the Amherst St store that told me I didnt need a 4 wheel thrust alignment, and he seemed PO'd when I told him the Billerica store tried to sell me it.
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

Thats ****ed up because i deff had my alignment done by Town fair tire for $100 with a free rotation.
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Thats ****ed up because i deff had my alignment done by Town fair tire for $100 with a free rotation.

What do you mean, whats messed up??
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The cost.
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Re: Possible to change front camber on WK DIY???

I think what I paid, was actually $548 for 4 Goodyear Fortera's 275/45/20's, then $39.95 for the "internet service package" with mounting, balancing, free rotations, and them swapping my TPS out and remounting my stock tires on the rims is an awesome deal. Paid $627.80 for everything done. And I really feel if I go back to that same store the manager, think his name is Jeff, will def take care of me.
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