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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

That's an interesting story CRD_Dawg. Great pics.
I recently bought a 2005 GC 3.0 CRD with 50kmls here in Germany. ( yes we were 2 years ahead of you, the US CRD fans had to wait until 2007 )

I read some of the threads about the intake tube and gasket, oil leaking from the tube on the swirl motor, clogged EGR valves...
So I went to investigate last sunday. For my surprise the intake tube was almost dry, only a very slight oil dust. The area below the tube close to the turbo inlet bone dry... although the 2005 CRD has the old red gasket design at the turbo.
Then I removed the EGR Valve. The German '05 don't have the water cooled EGR valve, so this job is easier as with the '07 US models.
To my second surprise, the EGR valve was close to clean. Only a black surface colour, nothing has built up there.

So 2h later all was installed again. I ask myself where the is difference between the 2007 US model to the 2005 German model... you guys have lots of trouble in these areas, I found nothing at all?

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Old 03-27-2010, 09:32 AM
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I recently bought a 2005 GC 3.0 CRD with 50kmls here in Germany. ( yes we were 2 years ahead of you, the US CRD fans had to wait until 2007 )

I read some of the threads about the intake tube and gasket, oil leaking from the tube on the swirl motor, clogged EGR valves...
So I went to investigate last sunday. For my surprise the intake tube was almost dry, only a very slight oil dust. The area below the tube close to the turbo inlet bone dry... although the 2005 CRD has the old red gasket design at the turbo.
Then I removed the EGR Valve. The German '05 don't have the water cooled EGR valve, so this job is easier as with the '07 US models.
To my second surprise, the EGR valve was close to clean. Only a black surface colour, nothing has built up there.

So 2h later all was installed again. I ask myself where the is difference between the 2007 US model to the 2005 German model... you guys have lots of trouble in these areas, I found nothing at all?

Harald
perhaps you could post some pictures of your engine compartment with the engine cover removed? I'm guessing your year of jeep does not have the diesel particulate filter that the '07 and newer US models required as part of the emissions laws.
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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

I'll do tomorrow. When I cleaned the intake I forgot to take some pics..... as usual..;-)

The 2005 didn't come with a particulate filter, only a diesel cat.
I had a particulate filter built into the system a week ago, 'cause the german government is supporting that with 330€

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I'll do tomorrow. When I cleaned the intake I forgot to take some pics..... as usual..;-)

The 2005 didn't come with a particulate filter, only a diesel cat.
I had a particulate filter built into the system a week ago, 'cause the german government is supporting that with 330€
I would not have thought that you could simply install a particulate filter like a common muffler. My jeep seems to have lots of extra plumbing and supposed ECU programming to support the particulate filter. Maybe in the retro-fitted model like yours you have to periodically remove the particulate filter and empty it out?
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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

3ltr CRD oil type Post # 9.

A local Mercedes dealer here in Calgary said they are not having any issues with their 3.0L turbo Diesel. Same engine as their M320's I guess... So I don't know what to think anymore....
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diesel particulate filter

this is the simple "add-on" setup they use in Germany with the 2005 - 2007 mj until the diesel particulate filter came from the factory.
I really don't know what to do when the filter is clogged. I guess it has to be removed and cleaned / burnt or whatever..
I will take some engine bay shots ... I think it's the difference of the two Mj from '05 - '07 and the tighter emission laws.... but then your described problems with the intake tube and clogged EGR valves are a step back..

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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

I don't want to hijack the thread, but maybe some pics of a german 2005 setup bring different ideas. As I posted earlier, no oil in the intake tube, no leaks at the turbo connection even with the old orange seal and the EGR valve was clean...
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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

I may be imagining something, but your connection from the intake tube to the turbo looks slightly different from my '08.

Update: I was going to post a photo of my setup, but upon further review, my setup is the same as yours.

What motor oil do you use?
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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

Motor oil? good question. I bought the GC 3 weeks ago from a chrysler dealer over here. They made the 80.000km service for me. So I cannot say what oil they used. I will check the paperwork if I can find something
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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

Well I checked my service records on the CRD. Both dealers use the same part number, but one lists it as 5W30 and the other lists it as 5W40. But then I pulled the breather apart and this is what I found. Keep in mind the Mercedes dealer said they haven't seen any problems and I read a thread here that suggested everything would be okay if we all followed the oil change schedule. The filter was filthy but the box was quite dry. The There was a small puddle of oil settled on the inlet of the turbo housing. Same on the orange gasket and the inlet tube. But no goo or gunk anywhere that I could see. I did not disassemble the turbo. And I didn't have the proper socket for the impeller nut. So now what? The odometer reads
35,174 kms.
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couple of more pics.
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Re: Post your Provent/Racor setups

Huhh, that's a lot of oil.
In my case I only found the turbo inlet slightly covered with oil, no oil drops on the bottom of the turbo inlet.
There must be a difference somewhere.
What about the round black oil separator on top of the left valve cover (seen from the front). As far as I understand this device should hold back the oil and let only the fumes pass to the intake....
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