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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

Hey, I own a V8, not a diesel, I'm simply having a conversation of the realistic pros and cons of the diesel, ie, not one-eyed EEK!
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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

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Hey, I own a V8, not a diesel, I'm simply having a conversation of the realistic pros and cons of the diesel, ie, not one-eyed EEK!
Well said... and you know the old moniker about opinions and body parts. . Anyway, I will pm you re your knowledge on a chip for my CRD. As an aside, since I have an opinion and that specific body part. Here goes. I miss my SRT8 Charger, but in going back and forth between Calgary and Goodyear AZ with the dogs and or the motorcycles, I love the CRD. Besides, who wants to put a hitch on a SRT 8 Charger?
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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

I would like to see it come back in a few years for sure.
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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

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I haven't purchased a Jeep in the last 15 yrs intended for serious off road use. Three of the 4 vehicles currently sitting in my drive have 300hp+ V8s and none were purchased with the idea that they would get even decent gas mileage. A Jeep has the aerodynamics of a brick on wheels. Through in the true four wheel drive systems and they might as well be cinder blocks. If you are looking for a fast AWD vehicle and great mileage, you are most likely to be disappointed with a Jeep.

The majority of customers may be "demanding" better mileage but there are still those who want a true 4WD with both high horsepower and torque.
Yes, I agree that there are customers who love the Jeep with the Hemi and SRT version (which, I assume, is why it is still offered in the case of the Hemi) but these are generally Jeep enthusiasts (like some if not most of those who belong to this site) and in the minority of Jeep owners in general....in other words, this will continue to be a niche market which is clearly getting smaller (hence the new V6)....

I, too, did not purchase a Hemi thinking it had great gas mileage but I can tell you that I would have chosen another Mercedes diesel 3.0L over the Hemi had it still been offered when I purchased my 2010....

Note that I am not looking for a 'fast' AWD, simply a good quality engine that gets decent gas mileage in a mid-size SUV chasis (for cargo space and 4WD capability for rough roads and long winters that can be very treacherous driving....

I have driven the Hemi version and the CRD back to back on many occasions because we owned both GCs at the same time (2006 and 2008)....the difference between the two engines was minimal in every way.....thus, why do I want to spend my time at a gas station filling up the Hemi when I can get better gas mileage, better range per tank, and a better resale value when I trade it in...

The diesel version of the GC in Canada outsold every other engine version of this vehicle and was so popular they were selling at a premium when production stopped......

I realize the US customers (based on numerous news reports I have read) are not as interested in diesel technology but I believe this will change now that diesels, compared to much earlier versions, are both very clean and quiet....
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Was talking with a sales rep I know from a local stealership... and I was told that GC would have had a Diesel for 2011, but the Cummins didn't pass CA emissions? I'm just sayin'.
Given Fiat's apparent expertise in diesel technology, I believe the emissions issue can be overcome, given that both VW and Mercedes diesels have done so (and have met emissions requirements for all US states) using urea of all things....

I believe the Wrangler is forecast to come out in a diesel version in the near future...
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Well the diesel offers more torque than the 5.7 mate
The diesel is far superior for some folks uses, especially those who do a lot of towing or long distance touring, especially given the miniscule size of the WK's gas tank and subsequent appalling range between fills in the petrol versions.
Here is Oz the diesel far outsells the other versions combined.

I agree....same as Canada as stated previously.....and don't forget the better resale value and longer lasting engine life.....
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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

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The difference in torque between the two pales compared to the difference in hp. Yes I know the difference and yes I understand that torque gets you off the line however hp gets you to the finish line. And it takes very little to get the 5.7 to put out more torque than the CRD. Not going to speak for other nations regardless of the continent. Here in the USA the diesel that dimestore chrylser put in the grand was a colossal flop. There are far better choices out there if you #1 concern is mileage. That has never been and never will be the strength of the Jeep lineup. Folks who buy a Jeep and complain about the mileage or range on a tank of gas have no one to blame but themselves for failing to research the purchase.
Frankly, I have been shopping for a mid-size SUV with similar cargo space as the GC, for awhile now and there are not a lot of choices for higher mileage vehicles....only ones I can think of are diesel versions of VW, BMW, and Mercedes, hybrid versions of the Highlander AWD or Ford Escape.....hybrids generally don't have the towing power so one is left with the diesels....
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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

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Not to worry, I own a vehicle that will beat even the SRT8 to the finish line if so inclined.

But that is not really my style as I simply prefer to have both torque and horsepower if/when I want either. If I wanted that and good mileage, I'd be looking at a different brand. I've owned Jeeps for over 30yrs and intend to own them for another 25 or so Lord willing. The brand is a true USA icon and not something to be castrated by those who simply want the image when they ought to be driving a prius.

Last thing I want is a piece of crap turbo diesel (that's exactly what the CRD was) in any of my Jeeps. Put a decent, dependable one in a Jeep, one that is worthy of wearing the Jeep name and I might consider. Highly unlikely that Fiat will do a better job than DC did if you ask me.

I guess I would have to disagree that the Jeep CRD turbodiesel was a 'piece of crap'.....in fact it was one of Ward's Auto World 10 best engines in 2008 (this award in 2009 also won by the Hemi)....

the only thing missing from that engine was that the emissions were too dirty to be sold in 5 states including California......I would say that noone knows how to build better quality diesel engines better than Mercedes and VW who have been building them for decades and now that the bluetec version of this same engine has arrived.....the Jeep CRD could be sold in all 50 states....
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Hey the guy asked if anyone was interested in seeing the diesel return and I gave my honest opinion which is hell no. If he, you or anyone else don't wish to hear opinions that you may disagree with, feel free to add me to your ignore list.
We all don't have to agree....as we all are looking for different things from our Jeep and we have all had different experiences and owned different versions so no big deal.....at the end of the day, it is your own hard-earned money that you have to put down to buy a vehicle and it is your decision.....the trick is to make the most informed decision you can.....
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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

Down here in Argentina the price of diesel(good diesel, because cheap diesel ruins the injectors) is only 5 - 10 cents cheaper than 98 octane gasoline.
The price of a CRD WK Limited is $9000 more than a 4.7 Limited and $4000 more than the 5.7 Overland.
So compared to the 4.7 getting 15Mpg(Joy riding your V8 ), you get around 50.500 miles of gas for the initial price difference between the CRD and 4.7!!!!
And you get a higher insurance quote because it has a higher value.

Than as Ben said. Diesels has it's pros with the torque.....but IMO only for off roading or towing purposes.

So for me down here.....I couldn't care less about it

And on a side note.......Come on! The sound of a gas V8 compared to the tatatatatatatatata diesel......
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Re: Who would like to see the Jeep GC Diesel return?

The sound of the Hemi is so superior that it is in fact the THE reason I purchased the eight
That and the fact I enjoy driving a more "free revving" engine and don't really like diesel's narrow rev range.
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