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Re: blackfire products

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I was considering on ordering the gloss enhancing polish,wet diamond and the midnight sun wax. Just wanted a little feedback before I spend $140 on wax and polish...

A FOOL AND HIS MONEY IS SOON PARTED. By spending that $140 you can look forward to having lots time together with your vehicle applying, and reapplying these products until one of two things happen.One, you sell it because the swirl marks will not come out any more so you repaint it, or you sell it for a big loss.
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:23 PM
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What is new about wax or polish? I really shake my head when i read posts like this one. It is pricey because shills fill peoples heads with this pure crap that this wax is better than the million others out there claiming the same thing.Here is a suggestion, if you want to try something new than why would you think another manufacture of wax or polish products would be any different.

Blackfire Diamond is a poly sealant, which is basically wax, and a additive called Polycharger which allows the wax to not breakdown during washing. It offers zero real protection considering most people apply a "sacrificial barrier" of wax over it which is a joke in itself.
When you say wet diamond is basically wax, with additive, what kind of wax is it? It certainly doesn't look, smell, feel or behave like any wax I've ever used...
You say "Here's a suggestion" and then you offer nothing except to say that if we want to try something new than why would we.....on and on.
I remember last time we got into this...all you do is knock every product on the market and offer no alternatives. You are not helping anybody
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Old 02-06-2014, 01:17 AM
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I'm using their interior stuff only and they are great.. Also read lots of good reviews on the sealant and wax, I guess the BlackIce wax is better for dark colors
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When you say wet diamond is basically wax, with additive, what kind of wax is it? It certainly doesn't look, smell, feel or behave like any wax I've ever used...
You say "Here's a suggestion" and then you offer nothing except to say that if we want to try something new than why would we.....on and on.
I remember last time we got into this...all you do is knock every product on the market and offer no alternatives. You are not helping anybody

Clearly, you seem to look for excuses to use wax. What you call knocking products is just pointing out the truth about wax which you seem to have a problem with. I have mentioned using Opti Coat numerous times as an alternative.

Actually, what you cannot see is what I am saying. You and many others on these forums believe that making a car shine for a short time, or covering up swirl marks or defects with glazes is what detailing is all about.

Personally, I do not base my opinion about a paint protection product based on what it smells , looks or feels like. Instead, when I can wash off bird droppings after days of sitting on a finish with no damage is real proof to me.

I cannot tell you what type of wax they use in Black Diamond, but wax is wax.It is just a hybrid,and here is the proof:

Protection is further boosted with Polycharger for maximum shine, slickness, and longevity.

BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection, paint sealant, synthetic sealant, blackfire sealant


Here is more proof:

The only thing that comes through the ultra-tough Polycharger protective barrier is the shine. That’s because a Polycharger wax finish won’t wash off with ordinary car wash shampoos or detergents. In lab tests, all Polycharger compatible waxes washed off with Dawn dishwashing detergent, but they held fast for up to twenty washes when boosted with Polycharger.

How Polycharger Works


They say here that protection of Polycharger comes from the fact that wax mixed with this product will not allow the wax to be stripped off as fast from washing which is just laughable. Where are the test results showing how it protects against tree sap spots, bird dropping from staining or etching the clear coat.


You say to me I am not helping anyone, but I beg to differ.
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RD you continue to bash more detailing products but do not tell us what you use or how to get it. The only reason we found the name of the product you were using in the other thread was bc of a pic you posted.
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RD you continue to bash more detailing products but do not tell us what you use or how to get it. The only reason we found the name of the product you were using in the other thread was bc of a pic you posted.

The product I use is not available in sizes less than a gallon, and is not sold to the retail market. Logisti Seal is a reformulation of the product I use. I worked with them back in 2005 helping them prep and apply this product to two 737 jets for testing.They did a lot real testing on this product, so I refer doubters to what I say to their website.I would contact Jim Armstrong, and see if he has any kits for retail sale.

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Re: blackfire products

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The product I use is not available in sizes less than a gallon, and is not sold to the retail market. Logisti Seal is a reformulation of the product I use. I worked with them back in 2005 helping them prep and apply this product to two 737 jets for testing.They did a lot real testing on this product, so I refer doubters to what I say to their website.I would contact Jim Armstrong, and see if he has any kits for retail sale.

Logisti-Seal: The only sealant proven to reduce costs
I sent a email and for the comment a fool and his money will be soon parted" It is just money If I can spend $70k plus in a sled pulling truck $140 is not going to break me...
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I sent a email and for the comment a fool and his money will be soon parted" It is just money If I can spend $70k plus in a sled pulling truck $140 is not going to break me...

My point was not that $140 would break you, but you seem to ignore the rest of my quote. Let me remind you:

By spending that $140 you can look forward to having lots time together with your vehicle applying, and reapplying these products until one of two things happen.One, you sell it because the swirl marks will not come out any more so you repaint it, or you sell it for a big loss.
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Re: blackfire products

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My point was not that $140 would break you, but you seem to ignore the rest of my quote. Let me remind you:

By spending that $140 you can look forward to having lots time together with your vehicle applying, and reapplying these products until one of two things happen.One, you sell it because the swirl marks will not come out any more so you repaint it, or you sell it for a big loss.
I have lots of free time so I will use it as I want too. Thanks Now go pound your chest on another detailing thread. Don't go away mad just go away. Seems like everytime you post it seems to be telling everyone that they are wasting THEIR money and they should listen to you cause you are the all mighty and know every product out there and you will tell them THE best one available..
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I have lots of free time so I will use it as I want too. Thanks Now go pound your chest on another detailing thread. Don't go away mad just go away. Seems like everytime you post it seems to be telling everyone that they are wasting THEIR money and they should listen to you cause you are the all mighty and know every product out there and you will tell them THE best one available..

Gladly,you asked for opinions on Blackfire, so I offered it. I guess being a professional working detailer since 1992 is what you consider being high and mighty and not worth listening to. Go waste your time and money, and believe me I will not give it a moment of thought. I was under the impression by your question that you wanted information, but I was wrong. Sorry.
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Gladly,you asked for opinions on Blackfire, so I offered it. I guess being a professional working detailer since 1992 is what you consider being high and mighty and not worth listening to.

Go waste your time and money, and believe me I will not give it a moment of thought. I was under the impression by your question that you wanted information, but I was wrong. Sorry.
But you came on here pounding your chest saying this brand is a waste of money and time. Not I am a professional detailer who has used blackfire products and do not like them cause... And as you being a professional you do not talk or give feedback like one.
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But you came on here pounding your chest saying this brand is a waste of money and time. Not I am a professional detailer who has used blackfire products and do not like them cause... And as you being a professional you do not talk or give feedback like one.

That is because I am not one. I am not a shill promoting the next best thing for whoever pays. I have used only ONE protection product since 1992, and learned detailing long before the internet was around.I realize you are not a pro, and are looking for answers, but I will never promote something like this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xy7...-97-000_travel


This video shows completely how nuts this continued discussion is on which wax is better. Really there is little difference between this wax and Turtle Wax, but both will give you swirls.
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