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Re: Hard water spots

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I cleaned the pride and joy yesterday as I always do: two buckets, foam hose and with meticulous care (I don't do waxing etc afterwards)
After the drying process I have found cloudy spots which appear to be hard water spots?
I've read a tone of online forums and advice and I'm not sure what can be done that doesn't involve cut and polish products.

Any advice on getting these spots out (only on my hood) and advice on how to avoid it? It may be unavoidable when driving in rain obviously.

Is there a spray on product I can use?

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Here we are again with the same problem. The damage has occurred, but where is the protection from hard water spots? I thought the "PERFECT FINISH" was the answer to protecting paint finishes from things like this, but I guess not.

Well, you are on the path to correcting many more things just like this, I hope you have a lot of time and money, or just give up and buy a new car. There is no spray on product for your problem, or any solution to your problem since your problem is from the wax and not your drying process.
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Old 03-07-2014, 04:12 PM
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Ok. Explain why wax causes water spots and water spots cause permanent damage on a wax finish.

Teach us something.
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Ok. Explain why wax causes water spots and water spots cause permanent damage on a wax finish. Teach us something.
Well, here we go again..
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Well, here we go again..
Yeah cynical and I just couldn't be bothered answering.
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Re: Hard water spots

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Re: Hard water spots

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Ok. Explain why wax causes water spots and water spots cause permanent damage on a wax finish.

Teach us something.

Really, this does not require too much imagination to answer your question.Although, I have to remember that most people here have no real experience, but just a bunch of misinformation dispensed by what they heard on a detailing forum.

Since wax is basically grease that melts and hardens given the temp. Rain drops have minerals in them, and when the water drops dry while beading up on the paint where do you think those minerals stay? Answer: In that layer of glaze and wax along with dirt and road grime plus other bad things. Now consider a hot day and you can see how bad things can be baked on a paint finish in no time.

Now, here is a person with this problem. Maybe these water spots can be removed, or just covered up. Either way is probably going to require polishing and high cut compound.

If a product like Opti Coat was used this issue would have never happened. Why? Very simple. Opti Coat is not grease, but a permanent coating that will protect from this damage occurring.
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I vote he gets his badge that he so desires and gets banned.

Why should I be banned exactly? Because I do not agree with you?
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Are fully synthetic "waxes" a form of grease also? Are there any non-greasy sealants that apply like a wax but last longer?
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Re: Hard water spots

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Are fully synthetic "waxes" a form of grease also? Are there any non-greasy sealants that apply like a wax but last longer?

Yes Yes
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Realistic... I believe you have some valuable knowledge that the forum could benefit from... I don't think you're the Dahli Lama of auto detaiing, but you do have some solid knowledge whic could really be beneficial to people.
But we seem to have a problem where you keep alienating people. Please consider this in your postings. Nobody likes to be spoken down to, and it may be that people are sensing this from you.
Maybe you could give people the benefit of the doubt instead of talking to them like they are fools. The old axiom of getting more flies with honey than vinegar definitely applies here
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I used Meguiars Color X and it got it out.
The product says it waxes and protects too so I didn't wax.
Good product. Worked effectively.
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Re: Hard water spots

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Realistic... I believe you have some valuable knowledge that the forum could benefit from... I don't think you're the Dahli Lama of auto detaiing, but you do have some solid knowledge whic could really be beneficial to people.
But we seem to have a problem where you keep alienating people. Please consider this in your postings. Nobody likes to be spoken down to, and it may be that people are sensing this from you.
Maybe you could give people the benefit of the doubt instead of talking to them like they are fools. The old axiom of getting more flies with honey than vinegar definitely applies here

i really wonder why I am alienating certain people as you say. Usually, the people I so call alienate are usually wax and correction zealots who will argue to the point were they cannot dispute anymore, and then scream to have me banned when all else fails.

People usually start by asking me a question. then move to insults, and then the cry to ban me. All the time they are saying to me they have a open mind, but then they post this:

To wash
1. APC
*http://www.chemicalguys.com/Heavy_Du..._p/cld_104.htm
http://www.chemicalguys.com/Chemical..._p/cld_101.htm
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-121-a...e-cleaner.aspx

2. Bucket ( I just use one from Lowe's) x2

3. Grit Guards x2
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-56-ad...rd-insert.aspx
*http://www.chemicalguys.com/Chemical..._p/iai_503.htm

4. Shampoo
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-33-ad...oo-refill.aspx
*http://www.chemicalguys.com/Chemical..._p/cws_402.htm

5. Wash mitt (some use 2, one for the upper and one for the lower body) I'd def use adam's for this
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-83-ad...-wash-pad.aspx

6. Brush (another one I'd get from adam's) i have it and its great
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-837-a...rub-brush.aspx

7. Drying towel
*http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-106-a...ing-towel.aspx
http://www.chemicalguys.com/Chemical...mic_781_01.htm

Cleaning paint
1. Detail spray
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-871-a...w-formula.aspx
*http://www.chemicalguys.com/Chemical..._p/wac_808.htm

2. Clay bar
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-36-ad...-clay-bar.aspx
http://www.chemicalguys.com/Chemical..._p/cly_111.htm

Polishing
Now with this, I told you what I was switching to but for you

1. 2 step
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-957-n...ish-combo.aspx
Plus
http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-139-a...r-sealant.aspx

2. Pads
orange http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-717-a...tting-pad.aspx
white http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-718-a...shing-pad.aspx
black http://www.adamspolishes.com/p-720-a...axing-pad.aspx

3. Machine.
PC or Flex. ( I just can't fathom the $180 price difference for the Flex. You could buy a rotary for that, if you had the experience. The 7424xp will do everything you need it to do. Sure it may take longer but $180 buys a hell of a lot of other stuff.)



Now for towels. Adam's makes great ones. I haven't used any others so I can't comment on them. There are a ton on the market and CG sells a ton.
http://www.adamspolishes.com/c-5-mic...plicators.aspx
http://www.chemicalguys.com/Microfib...ories_s/18.htm
But you need them for
interior wiping
exterior after you polish
removing wax
you need to get at least 3 different ones. cheap utility towels, better ones for polishing, and then the best ones for removing your final product

As far as wax goes. I have numerous ones but I always finish with Americana.

There's plenty more you'll need like bottles with sprayers and other small stuff. I may have missed something, I'll look it over.

Then you got to move to interior cleaning plus finishing stuff off with dressings.





What you cannot see is I am not here to promote this crap which has nothing to do with detailing IMO, but just make a car look shiny for a short time. I am not a shill pushing people to buy more expensive products they sell that provide no real protection.

What you consider as talking down to, I consider trying to inform people of the mistake they are making by using wax, but most people's ego on these forums are so huge they will not even consider they doing more damage to their paint by using this outdated method of fixing flaws after the fact instead of using something that will prevent these flaws in the first place.

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