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Old 02-17-2014, 01:57 PM
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I understand applying a coating. I have yet to venture into that world. But still, I can only imagine how much dawn shortens the life of said coating. And a coating is basically a sealant that last a hell of a lot longer. I personally enjoy detailing. So I do it more frequently.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=bill...I7ADFA_enUS433



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Here is my response:

I love seeing Bill's posts & threads here because I can't help doubling over nearly pissing my pants every time I see his psychotic interpretation on detailing. If he stopped posting here this forum might get serious again. LOL. Without Bill all the other forums wouldn't have material to laugh at either. Can you imagine how drastic this forum would change if this brainiack car waxer(opps, I mean car sealer) stopped spewing his nonsense here and went into hiding? All the hacks wouldn't have anyone to look up to and idolize anymore.

Bill.....please stay. You're the American Idol of the online detailing world!!



This is from the post you cite here. The person who wrote it is the moderator the Autopia forum named Dave Fermani. This is the type of guy many here take car detailing advice from.

Notice he offers no logical response to anything I say, but calling me a hack which is laughable considering I am the one who says to use a polisher when you have to. Then calls me a car waxer, and then says a sealer. Also, he says in this quote he wants me stay.


PS. Notice who posts on this forum after I left?
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:09 PM
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That was much better....you could have said all that upfront and avoided the side show! Maybe its the approach that incites attacks? Most will agree that dirt and contaminants, if allowed on the clear coat when applying any force, cause the majority of the damage to most finishes.

I am not pro or anti wax although I have only used a synthetic sealant on my 2014 WK2. It was not touched by the dealer. I removed the new car plastic. Once I got home, I rinsed it thoroughly, washed it twice by hand using 2 buckets, clay barred, washed again, polished, washed again, then the sealant with final buffing. This was a one time thing I wanted to try. It really does make a difference. Now I am committed to proper and sanitary cleaning practices and reapplying the sealant regularly with normal washing and spray detailer wipe down in between.

Does anyone see anything I am missing in this approach?
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the bullshit is you pounding your chest about the one product that you use and everything else is a waste cause you have said so. And this is a public information site where members READ different threads to improve their insite on a problem or product.
Listen, if that is all you have heard from me is bullshit then explain why, or STFU. Sorry your little ego cannot handle any information besides what you want to hear, or what you think you know.
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:20 PM
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That was much better....you could have said all that upfront and avoided the side show! Maybe its the approach that incites attacks? Most will agree that dirt and contaminants, if allowed on the clear coat when applying any force, cause the majority of the damage to most finishes. I am not pro or anti wax although I have only used a synthetic sealant on my 2014 WK2. It was not touched by the dealer. I removed the new car plastic. Once I got home, I rinsed it thoroughly, washed it twice by hand using 2 buckets, clay barred, washed again, polished, washed again, then the sealant with final buffing. This was a one time thing I wanted to try. It really does make a difference. Now I am committed to proper and sanitary cleaning practices and reapplying the sealant regularly with normal washing and spray detailer wipe down in between. Does anyone see anything I am missing in this approach?
Too much washing going on there! Only one wash is needed! Maybe a wipe down after polishing or compounding.
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That was much better....you could have said all that upfront and avoided the side show! Maybe its the approach that incites attacks? Most will agree that dirt and contaminants, if allowed on the clear coat when applying any force, cause the majority of the damage to most finishes.

I am not pro or anti wax although I have only used a synthetic sealant on my 2014 WK2. It was not touched by the dealer. I removed the new car plastic. Once I got home, I rinsed it thoroughly, washed it twice by hand using 2 buckets, clay barred, washed again, polished, washed again, then the sealant with final buffing. This was a one time thing I wanted to try. It really does make a difference. Now I am committed to proper and sanitary cleaning practices and reapplying the sealant regularly with normal washing and spray detailer wipe down in between.




Does anyone see anything I am missing in this approach?

I am sure this is not what you want to hear, but if you are using a synthetic sealant you are pro wax. Sorry!
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Old 02-17-2014, 02:27 PM
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Too much washing going on there! Only one wash is needed! Maybe a wipe down after polishing or compounding.

Compounding on a new vehicle already? NO NO NO. Bad advice.
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Compounding on a new vehicle already? NO NO NO. Bad advice.
I was giving advice for future reference. Although a lot of cars come from the factory, or dealership, with scratches very deep that do need compounding.
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I understand applying a coating. I have yet to venture into that world. But still, I can only imagine how much dawn shortens the life of said coating. And a coating is basically a sealant so that last a hell of a lot longer. I personally enjoy detailing. So I do it more frequently.
No, a coating is not a sealant.

Opti-Coat is not a wax or sealant like other products on the market. It is a ceramic clear coating very similar to factory type clear coats. A layer of Opti-Coat measures approx. 2 microns in thickness, or about 100 times thicker than your typical wax or sealant. Unlike paint protection sealants such as PTFE, Nano Sealants, GlassPlexin that degrade over time and are easily removed through washing with water or chemicals, Opti-Coat does not degrade and cannot be removed by chemicals such as heavy duty truck wash or even caustic degreasers. It is totally resistant to these chemicals and produces a permanent film that is chemically bonded with the factory paint layers. Opti-Coat is effectively the vehicles new outer clear coat.


Do you think Dawn will remove this?
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I was giving advice for future reference. Although a lot of cars come from the factory, or dealership, with scratches very deep that do need compounding.
Actually, I have found that to be very untrue about new cars needing compounding. Usually, the reason for the compounding is to fix the damage hacks at the dealership do when prepping the car with wax or glaze, and then washing it.
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My GC came from the dealer with a couple of months worth of dust, railroad dust and general crud. No scratches though...They did not even try to clean it off which, in the end was better for me. It gave me the opportunity to do it properly, slowly, with IronX and then clay bar before light polishing and then Optiseal.
I'm sure Ive done something wrong, but my Jeep looks great one year later, with only one clay treatment and Wet Diamond sealant done in the Fall. Still appears to be protecting and water sheets off beautifully, which to me is a big deal... (It keeps use the drying towel to a minimum)
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