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Here's a good Tank Hard Rock picture I took yesterday, wasn't proud of my last one .
Is that an ace slider on there? How's it work out as a step?

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Is that an ace slider on there? How's it work out as a step?
The Hard Rock, as the 10A and the RX before it, include the Mopar side rails. While you could get an edge of your shoe on them when climbing in, as long as the rail isn't wet or icy, in general they make rather lousy steps.
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The Hard Rock, as the 10A and the RX before it, include the Mopar side rails. While you could get an edge of your shoe on them when climbing in, as long as the rail isn't wet or icy, in general they make rather lousy steps.
Agreed, you can use them as a step when working on the roof etc... but it's not much for your foot to hold onto. I wish they were a little wider.
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Can anyone comment on why the AHT trailer tow hitch for the two door Rubicon is not available currently? Will this option be available again or has it been discontinued permanently? Can someone confirm that there are no differences in spring rates, trailer sway dampening etc. without this option?

I originally ordered my 2 door Rubicon with this option 3 weeks ago when it was still available, and when I went down to the dealership today to get a copy of my build sheet I see that this option is no longer part of my configuration and its no longer an option in the system.

Is the Wrangler configured with a spliced "plug and play" style connector as part of the basic configuration for installing an aftermarket trailer brake light harness? I really do not want to have to cut and splice wires in order to install a hitch after the fact.
Here is a link to receiver hitches on Quadratec's site. Take note that they sell one for the 10th Anniverseray/Rubicon X/Hard Rock bumper. The Quadratec versions come with a plug and play wiring harness.

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Pat posted somewhere earlier in this thread, that the regular trailer tow option will not be available for the rest of the 2015 model year. If you need a factory hitch, you will have to go with the Max Tow package instead.



If you want to wire up your own light harness, you will have to tap/connect into the tail light wiring, either at the lights themselves or elsewhere. There is no "empty" connector just waiting for a trailer light harness to be plugged in ("plug and play"), on Wranglers without the factory trailing towing packages.
The Rugged Ridge kit came with a female/male connector that you just put inline with the driver side taillight connection. Plug and play no splicing required.
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Pat posted somewhere earlier in this thread, that the regular trailer tow option will not be available for the rest of the 2015 model year. If you need a factory hitch, you will have to go with the Max Tow package instead.



If you want to wire up your own light harness, you will have to tap/connect into the tail light wiring, either at the lights themselves or elsewhere. There is no "empty" connector just waiting for a trailer light harness to be plugged in ("plug and play"), on Wranglers without the factory trailing towing packages.
I thought that the "Max Tow" package was not available in a 2 door Wrangler. When my dealer pulled up the build site while I was there we didn't see any factory trailer hitch option for the 2 door Rubicon as a choice.

My main concern is whether or not there is anything additional with the tow package on the 2 door Rubicon that I will lose by installing a hitch aftermarket. I want some sort of confirmation that I would be getting the same spring rates, trailer sway control, cooling system, alternator, etc without this package as I would have with it.

Is this option for sure gone all year? Why the heck did they cancel it in the first place? This has to be the first time that you could not order a Jeep with a tow hitch in its history.
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I thought that the "Max Tow" package was not available in a 2 door Wrangler. When my dealer pulled up the build site while I was there we didn't see any factory trailer hitch option for the 2 door Rubicon as a choice.

My main concern is whether or not there is anything additional with the tow package on the 2 door Rubicon that I will lose by installing a hitch aftermarket. I want some sort of confirmation that I would be getting the same spring rates, trailer sway control, cooling system, alternator, etc without this package as I would have with it.

Is this option for sure gone all year? Why the heck did they cancel it in the first place? This has to be the first time that you could not order a Jeep with a tow hitch in its history.
I don't want to seem rude, but you do realize that you're requesting somewhat high-end trailer towing features (sway control, spring rates) for a short wheelbase vehicle that's only "rated" to tow 2,000 lbs like any passenger vehicle is "rated" for? Different spring rates would directly conflict with the purpose of the vehicle anyhow.

The only things I've put in the hitch of my 2004 2dr are a little rack for extra gear and a bike rack. The most I'd want to tow with my SWB Wrangler above that may be a pair of jet-skis or a snowmobile (not sure the weight there). Anything more than that and the tail is surely going to be wagging the dog.

...and yes, I know the world is full of experts towing 1.5x their Wrangler's weight and I'm a total dufus for not being in that group, but I prefer to practice safe towing.
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I thought that the "Max Tow" package was not available in a 2 door Wrangler. When my dealer pulled up the build site while I was there we didn't see any factory trailer hitch option for the 2 door Rubicon as a choice.

My main concern is whether or not there is anything additional with the tow package on the 2 door Rubicon that I will lose by installing a hitch aftermarket. I want some sort of confirmation that I would be getting the same spring rates, trailer sway control, cooling system, alternator, etc without this package as I would have with it.

Is this option for sure gone all year? Why the heck did they cancel it in the first place? This has to be the first time that you could not order a Jeep with a tow hitch in its history.
On a Sport or Sahara, Max Tow increases the gear ratio from 3.21 to 3.73 plus you get the hitch & wiring. On a Rubicon, all you really get is the hitch & harness. Max tow is basically a ripoff on a Rubicon. No tow package, regardless of 2 door/4 door and regardless of Sport/Sahara/Rubicon includes any changes to alternator, cooling system, or any of the things you mentioned. Spring rates that are installed are determined by if you order a 2 door or 4 door, which top you get (hardtops tend to come with stiffer springs bc of the weight of the top), and Rubicons tend to come with stiffer springs. You get no choice on what springs the factory installs. I have a 2014 4 door Rubicon X and I have 18/59 springs.
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The Hard Rock, as the 10A and the RX before it, include the Mopar side rails. While you could get an edge of your shoe on them when climbing in, as long as the rail isn't wet or icy, in general they make rather lousy steps.
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Agreed, you can use them as a step when working on the roof etc... but it's not much for your foot to hold onto. I wish they were a little wider.


There is a reason they are called "rock rails" and not "side-steps".

If you want side-steps buy a Sahara...
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I don't want to seem rude, but you do realize that you're requesting somewhat high-end trailer towing features (sway control, spring rates) for a short wheelbase vehicle that's only "rated" to tow 2,000 lbs like any passenger vehicle is "rated" for? Different spring rates would directly conflict with the purpose of the vehicle anyhow.

The only things I've put in the hitch of my 2004 2dr are a little rack for extra gear and a bike rack. The most I'd want to tow with my SWB Wrangler above that may be a pair of jet-skis or a snowmobile (not sure the weight there). Anything more than that and the tail is surely going to be wagging the dog.

...and yes, I know the world is full of experts towing 1.5x their Wrangler's weight and I'm a total dufus for not being in that group, but I prefer to practice safe towing.
The official Jeep documentation for the AHT tow hitch for the 2015 2 door Wrangler states that it comes with the hitch, 4 pin connector, and TSC trailer sway control but they don't mention any other upgraded features that I talked about. This is per someone at Chrysler Customer service looking it up in their system.

Basically I just want to know what I am actually getting with or without this package regardless of whether I need it or not.

I have read in posts on here that people are saying that trailer sway control is now a standard feature on all Wranglers regardless of whether you opt for the hitch or not, but I am not so sure of this based on what the documention states.

The Jeep customer service person really was not a technical person by any means and was simply reading what her computer said and thereby could not give me a definitive answer.

Can anyone for sure confirm at least that TSC trailer sway control will be part of my Wrangler's computer system without getting the AHT package?
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On a Sport or Sahara, Max Tow increases the gear ratio from 3.21 to 3.73 plus you get the hitch & wiring. On a Rubicon, all you really get is the hitch & harness. Max tow is basically a ripoff on a Rubicon. No tow package, regardless of 2 door/4 door and regardless of Sport/Sahara/Rubicon includes any changes to alternator, cooling system, or any of the things you mentioned. Spring rates that are installed are determined by if you order a 2 door or 4 door, which top you get (hardtops tend to come with stiffer springs bc of the weight of the top), and Rubicons tend to come with stiffer springs. You get no choice on what springs the factory installs. I have a 2014 4 door Rubicon X and I have 18/59 springs.
You seem to be alluding that I can get the "Max Tow" package on my 2 Door without directly saying it, but I am saying that there is no factory tow hitch available to order for a 2 Door currently in the system.

Please correct me if I am wrong but the Max. tow package is only available for the Wrangler Unlimited, and the AHT tow hitch was available for the Wrangler and Wrangler Rubicon before it was discontinued.
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