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re: 2017 Wrangler JK Information Thread

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On the 2-door, the W package adds A/C.

On the Unlimited, it adds:

POWER CONVENIENCE GROUP
POWER HEATED MIRRORS
POWER LOCKS
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SECURITY ALARM
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Thanks. Perhaps something is off on the Jeep site for the 2-door only, but $2,100 extra for the W versus non-W seems a bit steep for just an A/C add. For everything you get on the Unlimited, yes.

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I just ordered a 2017 jku Willy's wheeler w. I liked the wheels that came on the 16's but just found on this site that they aren't shown on the list of wheels for the 17's. did they change the wheels for the 17 Willy's? If so, which wheel is it? That would be kind of a bummer for me because the wheels were one of the reasons I went with the Willy's. probably would be able to find some of the wheels that came on the 16 I guess. Anyone recommend a place to look if they did change them?


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Yes, I don't know where you live but in MASSACHUSETTS a lot of the dealers have them already and you can just click on the window sticker. My 2017 should be at the dealer in 2 weeks. I got a sport 2 door .
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Thanks. Perhaps something is off on the Jeep site for the 2-door only, but $2,100 extra for the W versus non-W seems a bit steep for just an A/C add. For everything you get on the Unlimited, yes.
The order guide shows the same thing, I don't get it either.
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I get the wanting recon to equal stealth. Honesty though, I was excited about the red belts. I love the red 10A interior and thought of the red belts as a way to have a little of that.
The black grille with granite rings is what gave me a bit of pause. I don't like the contrasting rings on the Sahara and the black grille okay on some colors.
I am not arguing for complete stealth. When I mention FCE or OD it is really for concept of what "recon" evokes rather than the realities of car paint. To me that concept would at least involve being somewhats subdued when it comes to appointments strictly designed to stick out and say "look" like the red hooks and belt.

this wrangler does have both a military and a nostalgia identity and those are born not solely of marketing, but from its actual history. It also has a fun beach runner identity, an off road identity, and frankly a macho identity. some of those can be mixed and matched well, and some IMHO cannot.

I think what we have seen and read of the "chief" concept that this is looking well executed. That is a 60's-70's color, a 60's-70's theme, including silver to simulate/evoke chrome. Bright, fun, attention garnering all go really nicely.

"Recon" evokes something else entirely. I am not saying it has to look 1945 Pacific jungle campaign, or 2010's operator. But it should not say "look at me." Its differentiation in my mind should be capability enhancement and its look should be subdued.
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Milous;
Thanks. Perhaps something is off on the Jeep site for the 2-door only, but $2,100 extra for the W versus non-W seems a bit steep for just an A/C add. For everything you get on the Unlimited, yes.
As side airbags were a must for me (given really abysmallbad side impact on wranger 2 door). Vehicle details

Because I wanted side impact, but would have to pay $1,300 for them on willys ($500 for the bags and $800 premium of WW-W with a/c vs WW with a/c) this pushed me from WW to Rubicon instead of spending $800 more to get nothing.

In FCA's defense, there is a good chance the WWW and the Sport S may included different more complex wiring harness and electrical system compared to base WW and sport, to allow the options to be added.*

But for me it brought rubicon $800 closer in my calculus.

*WWW does not include, but "allows" side airbags, alarm, dual top (likely wiring for wiper and defroster)
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^^^^ agree 100%.. Recon epitomizes the opposite of "Bling", the way I think of it
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As side airbags were a must for me (given really abysmallbad side impact on wranger 2 door). Vehicle details

Because I wanted side impact, but would have to pay $1,300 for them on willys ($500 for the bags and $800 premium of WW-W with a/c vs WW with a/c) this pushed me from WW to Rubicon instead of spending $800 more to get nothing.

In FCA's defense, there is a good chance the WWW and the Sport S may included different more complex wiring harness and electrical system compared to base WW and sport, to allow the options to be added. But for me it brought rubicon $800 closer in my calculus.
I went with the Sport because the price is cheaper the sticker price was like 29K
Which is without unconnect,roll up windows etc. I like it simple then I add my own personal touches.
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re: 2017 Wrangler JK Information Thread

WW-W been this way since it came out. It's a decent deal on the 4-door but a lousy deal on the 2-door.

I was interested for the same reason as Diogen - to get the airbags. But i steered away because it didn't make sense.


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The order guide shows the same thing, I don't get it either.
It is sad. People who want side impact airbags in one of the worst performing American vehicles on side impact, and therefore the most compelling to have the airbags are forced to spend not $500 but $1,300.

Jeep and FCA are not alone in forcing buyers to pay a lot more for safety advances on base trim than other trim, but it is a lot more and the JK especially needs that safety feature.

two months ago when I started looking using the 2016 build and compare tools I was really flabbrerghasted. I dropped a note to FCA but got just a non response response. Note was not demanding or critical, just stated their numbers on injury would likely improve if they were to make side impact bags reasonable on all trims. eg $800 or less not $1,300 in some cases
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Besides the Willys Wheeler on the 2017 JK build site, I noticed the Willys Wheeler "W". It's about a $2,100.00 difference in price. What's the "W" getting me? All I can tell is that it looks like it allows me to order a power/convenience group with the "W" and that's more $.
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On the 2-door, the W package adds A/C.

On the Unlimited, it adds:

POWER CONVENIENCE GROUP
POWER HEATED MIRRORS
POWER LOCKS
PWR WINDOWS, FRONT 1-TOUCH DOWN
REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY
SECURITY ALARM
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Milous;
Thanks. Perhaps something is off on the Jeep site for the 2-door only, but $2,100 extra for the W versus non-W seems a bit steep for just an A/C add. For everything you get on the Unlimited, yes.
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The order guide shows the same thing, I don't get it either.
I emailed Chrysler Customer Assistance about this very issue because I was considering a 2016 2-door Willys. For options, I wanted to add A/C and Supplemental Front Seat Side Airbags. You could add A/C to a base Willys for $1295, but you had to upgrade to the Willys W to add Side Airbags. For $2100, on a 2-door, all that's added with the Willys W package is A/C and the eligibility to add Side Airbags, Power Convenience Group, Dual Tops, and Side Steps. That's an $805 premium if you want any of those additional options. After a $300 increase mid-year on only the Willys Edition, along with this price premium for Side Airbags, I just decided to go Rubicon.

You get slightly better value with the 4-door because A/C is standard on all trim levels, so the upgrade gives you the Power Convenience Group ($1595). There's a similar pay-to-play gap between the base Sport and Sport S as well. Offering the 2-door base Sport without A/C fouls up so much of the pricing when trying to compare between the JK and JKU, especially with the addition of Limited Editions based on the Sport.

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I have been following the 2-door Willys Wheeler Limited Edition since it debuted in 2014. I'm in a position to buy a 2016 in the spring, so I found it necessary to inquire about a pricing discrepancy that has carried over these past two years. The base 2-door Willys Wheeler (K) does not come standard with Air Conditioning. Air Conditioning (HAA) is, however, an available option to add to the Willys Wheeler K ($1295 MSRP). The 2-door Willys Wheeler W adds ONLY Air Conditioning as additional standard equipment over the base Willys. The MSRP increase for the Willys W is $2100 over the base Willys K. That's $805 MSRP over the price of a base Willys with the Air Conditioning option for identically equipped vehicles. Now, I realize that upgrading to the Wilys Wheeler W also makes available certain options that were not available to add to the base Willys. I'm interested in adding the Supplemental Front Seat Side Air Bags (CJ1), but they are not an available option on the base Willys. Therefore, I would have to pay an $805 premium by choosing the Willys Wheeler W just to equip the Willys with Side Air bags. I don't find this a reasonable price increase, especially for a safety feature like Supplemental Front Seat Side Air Bags. Such safety features should be an available option on all trim levels. Could you please comment on why the 2-door Willys Wheeler W is over $800 MSRP more than a base Willys identically equipped. And is there a way to get this price discrepancy removed so that I can purchase a Willys with both Air Conditioning and Supplemental Front Seat Side Air Bags without paying an additional $805 MSRP premium?
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According to our provided resources, you are correct in that the Supplemental Front Seat Side Air Bags are not available on the standard 2016 Jeep Wrangler Willys Wheeler and you would have to upgrade to the Willys Wheeler W to open up available options such as Supplemental Front Seat Side Air Bags, Dual Top Group, Power Convenience Group and Tubular Side Steps.

The pricing between these two models is correct. We cannot modify a vehicle at the factory beyond the listed options and features provided. If a feature, option, or color is not offered on a particular model as factory equipment, it cannot be custom ordered that way.
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I emailed Chrysler Customer Assistance about this very issue because I was considering a 2016 2-door Willys. For options, I wanted to add A/C and Supplemental Front Seat Side Airbags.
You and I did the same thing. Thank you. I am not upset at the canned response. And FCA is not alone in this.

You and I agree , and I think everyone can all agree that it is sad that something like airbags capability can't be in all the wiring harnesses or trim levels at close to cost but some profit (as it is at $500). It is not the same as sat radio, heated seats, or climate control, it is a safety option that is standard on many vehicles, even more compelling on a two door wranger than anything, and should not be effectively discouraged on any trim level by pricing structures that make it cost $800 more than the actual $500

if the JK was not at the end of the line I would make an effort to push it up, or ask connected people like Milous to see if it could be pushed up the chain. As it stands they are not going to change it for JK generation.
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Just had a look at my Willys on the lot at the dealer. Picking it up tomorrow morning.
All looks good, except, if you opt for the reinforced swingate it covers up the lovely 4WD sticker on the back which is part of the Willys package.
You would think that since this is a factory option they would simply apply that decal somewhere else such as in the area just below the brake light. I'm going to have to purchase a decal and apply it there myself now, but it's still showing that the original is under the swingate and is mostly covered up.
Not good.
What color is your Willy's?
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