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I am at war with myself! My heart was set on ordering a Rubicon Hard Rock, but then my head told me that I can get a Willys Wheeler and add the Hard Rock steel bumpers and rock rails and save some money. Whatever I get, it will be my daily driver, with some wheeling on the weekends - woods and trails, not rock crawling. Decals and stereos are not important to me; I am interested in capabilities, so are my questions:

1. Is the electronic sway bar disconnect in the Rubi necessary/desireable if I'm not going to go rock crawling?

2. How does the Willys' Command Trac 4WD system compare with the Rock Trac 4WD of the Rubicon?

3. How much more capable is the Hard Rock versus the Willys? and is it worth the price difference (I know that "worth" is in the eye of the beholder, but I would still like to see your opinions)?

Whichever I get, I will install steel bumpers (if not included) and a winch.

Please help me end the war!.

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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

Anyone?

Bueller?

Bueller?
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

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I am at war with myself! My heart was set on ordering a Rubicon Hard Rock, but then my head told me that I can get a Willys Wheeler and add the Hard Rock steel bumpers and rock rails and save some money. Whatever I get, it will be my daily driver, with some wheeling on the weekends - woods and trails, not rock crawling. Decals and stereos are not important to me; I am interested in capabilities, so are my questions:

1. Is the electronic sway bar disconnect in the Rubi necessary/desireable if I'm not going to go rock crawling?

2. How does the Willys' Command Trac 4WD system compare with the Rock Trac 4WD of the Rubicon?

3. How much more capable is the Hard Rock versus the Willys? and is it worth the price difference (I know that "worth" is in the eye of the beholder, but I would still like to see your opinions)?

Whichever I get, I will install steel bumpers (if not included) and a winch.

Please help me end the war!.
JK, or JKU?

You don't care about stickers, yet that's all you're really buying with either lol.

You can put quick disco's on any Wrangler, E-disco's just make it so you don't have to hop out of your Jeep to do it.

If you're just going to be a casual weekend warrior, anything more than a Sport/S *Depending on JK/U* is overkill, unless you want the electronic creature comforts of say a Sahara.

Just for clarification, the major difference between a Rubicon and any other model is the transfer case, everything else can be had aftermarket. I mean, if a Sport with an Elocker and truetrack outback can lead Moab, I don't see the point of anything else, but that is just me.
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

I went with a Rubicon for the 4.1 tcase and the front 44 with a locker. I blew up my dana 30 in my TJ on 36"s. On the front 44 you will have to sleeve and truss the axle. It all depends on what you want to do with it in the end. I wheeled my TJ a ton, easy trails and rock crawling.
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

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JK, or JKU?

You don't care about stickers, yet that's all you're really buying with either lol.
I thought that there was more to both models than stickers, but I may be wrong.

To answer your question: JKU.

I also forgot to mention that I am new to all of this and that this will be my first Jeep. I am looking for something that I can enjoy right off the dealer's lot and, as mentioned in my original post, it will be my daily driver (two hour round trip daily commute) and my only vehicle, so I am looking for a vehicle that does not require extensive modifications.

Am I correct in interpreting your post to mean that there is no discernible difference between the 4WD systems of the two models I mentioned?

Another question: how quick and easy are quick disconnect sway bars? I am asking because I am wondering how easy it would be with my aged knees and back.

In addition, if I can rephrase one of my original questions: are e-disco's (or quick-disco's, for that matter) necessary for moderate off-roading, or are they only necessary for extreme trails and rock crawling? The reason I ask is because if the 4WD systems of the two models are not very different and if e- or quick- disconnect sway bars are not necessary, then these would be good arguments for me to not shell out extra $$ for a Rubicon.

If I sound like a newbie it is only because I am.
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

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I thought that there was more to both models than stickers, but I may be wrong.

To answer your question: JKU.

I also forgot to mention that I am new to all of this and that this will be my first Jeep. I am looking for something that I can enjoy right off the dealer's lot and, as mentioned in my original post, it will be my daily driver (two hour round trip daily commute) and my only vehicle, so I am looking for a vehicle that does not require extensive modifications.

Am I correct in interpreting your post to mean that there is no discernible difference between the 4WD systems of the two models I mentioned?

Another question: how quick and easy are quick disconnect sway bars? I am asking because I am wondering how easy it would be with my aged knees and back.

In addition, if I can rephrase one of my original questions: are e-disco's (or quick-disco's, for that matter) necessary for moderate off-roading, or are they only necessary for extreme trails and rock crawling? The reason I ask is because if the 4WD systems of the two models are not very different and if e- or quick- disconnect sway bars are not necessary, then these would be good arguments for me to not shell out extra $$ for a Rubicon.

If I sound like a newbie it is only because I am.
The difference are you get a front Dana 44 with a air locker, rear air locker, 4.1 gears in the tcase. The disconnects should have some kind of pin you pull out.

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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

Here's the thing, you're mentioning the "Fluff" models, as with every Jeep limited edition, it doesn't really offer much of anything other than cosmetics over what the model its based on. I did think it was pretty sweet they put a locker on the Sahara based Altitude though.

Willy's being a Sport, Hardrock being a Rubicon.

This is a good video of why you should disconnect every time you're wheeling, unless you're just on a fire road.

I'm amazed he didn't break anything doing this.



This should give you an idea of how hard *easy* it is to disconnect with quick disco's.


Also find yourself a good dealer, that's wheeling friendly, Chrysler will void your warranty and deny claims, if they can find any hint that the vehicle was offroad, as dumb as it sounds.

A stock Rubicon is more machine than what 99.999% of the people out there need, but that being said a JKU sport with 33's and a lift, is a lot cheaper and more than enough for most people lol.

As an example, this is just with armor, the basic trak lock, 33's and a lift, doing Moab.......



Knowing Chrysler's parts, and how they love to break, and after seeing the lockers go on a national back order due to failures, I would rather build a Sport.

A JKU base Sport is probably the best value you can find. If you want to wheel and don't want the fuss of doing it yourself, but are prepared to break factory parts, then the Rubicon is the way to go.

**Edit, I have no idea why this won't format right grrr.
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

A dana 30 will also not last with 35's not beefed up. Either way you have to build up the axles if you want to wheel. The pinion on the 30 gets really small on the lower gears. Also the 44 is a HP now which is great.

A sport can still be a good option if you don't want to run bigger than 35's and you spend less on the Jeep at the start. You still might need to beef up the front axle. You just have to ask your self what you want to do with your Jeep. Do you want to run small easy trails or go all out and run hard stuff.
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

A point i have not seen yet on here is some claim the rubicon, with the 4:1 transfer case, is not as friendly offroad on normal trails. I have seen complaints of gears being changed frequently and it being hard to "find the right gear" as the Rubicon is geared lower.

Having only a Rubicon, i have not felt the difference in manners.

I will say this. I got the Rubicon as I wanted it ready to go out if the box. Could I have gotten a sport and built it up? Sure, but I would not be doing the work anyway, so I got it from the factory.

The edisco is really nice also.
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A point i have not seen yet on here is some claim the rubicon, with the 4:1 transfer case, is not as friendly offroad on normal trails. I have seen complaints of gears being changed frequently and it being hard to "find the right gear" as the Rubicon is geared lower.

Having only a Rubicon, i have not felt the difference in manners.

I will say this. I got the Rubicon as I wanted it ready to go out if the box. Could I have gotten a sport and built it up? Sure, but I would not be doing the work anyway, so I got it from the factory.

The edisco is really nice also.
Some times you don't need 4.1 gears, sometimes it would be nice to have like 2.5 or like whats in a non rubicon, 2.72. Thats why people run doublers or a crawl box. Advance makes a crawl box for 07-11 JKs with 2.72 gears. Northwest Fab also makes a crawl box but I'm not sure if it will work on JKs. I know it should bolt up to the 241 but not sure about the trans. I hope Advance or Norhtwest Fab will make one for the 12 and up Jks. I'm sure on the JKU's with the
longer wheelbase the crawl box wouldn't take that much work to fit. Maybe those people complaining have no idea how to wheel. I would have loved to have a 4.1 set of gears in my TJ. I have 4.88s with a auto and it wouldn't crawl with a stock t case.
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

So, if I went with the Sport/Willys, I would want to add a steel bumper and, eventually, a winch.

How do the Rubicon 10a bumpers: Off-Road Bumper - 82213653 | Mopar

stack up against these AEV bumpers: AEV Conversions 10305055AB - AEV Front Premium Bumper for 07-15 Jeep« Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

or these Warn bumpers: WARN 87775 - WARN Elite Series Front Bumper for 07-15 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

Other than price (willing to pay for quality) and aesthetics (in the eye of the beholder), is one stronger/better quality than the others, or is it a wash?

Thanks in advance for your advice to a newb!
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Re: HELP!: Rubicon - Willys Wheeler War

The WW are nice, but I'd go with the Rubi HR all day (if you can swing it).
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