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Re: Looking into a JK

Agreed. I could live with the seat, but when you consider mileage and price, it makes it a little hard to swallow.

I sent an email to the guy I was talking to at the dealer and basically told him the same thing about the mileage and price, and the fact that it has been "altered" already. It's not like this is a stock Wrangler, so no matter what it has now, to me, makes no significant difference and shouldn't reflect in price. Maybe if this was a private seller, but it's not. They actually purchased it from auction. I told the guy before I could move forward in any way, price had to be adjusted to reflect my budget, and that if the Jeep sold, no worries. Figured, I don't need another vehicle right now, so if it wasn't meant to be, oh well. Just didn't want to go and spend all this time trying to get a vehicle with high mileage, only for things not to work out. We'll see what happens.


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Saw that too, but wasn't a make or break for me honestly.

Found a '14 on Autotrader for $26.5k with 43k miles. Very similar, but has additional upgrades. Silver in color.

Hmmm...


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Personally I would opt for a 2014 over the 2012 and with half the miles as it could be worth the extra 6K.
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Old 02-15-2017, 07:32 AM
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Re: Looking into a JK

You could get into a brand new sport for 26.5k or less depending on options. Obviously you don't get the upgrades, but you get a warranty.
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Re: Looking into a JK

I've been looking at newer models, and have already decided that I'd buy used no matter what. Narrowed my years down to 2013-2015, but may go with 2014 when the time comes. Going to continue looking, but will likely wait and pull the trigger in 6-8 months if all goes well. Who knows, I may end up with a GC again, but with 4wd since that's ultimately the key feature I want.

So I guess my next question for you JK owners is whether or not to go with a 2 or 4 door JK. It's just my wife and our 11 year old son. The unlimited do look to me like they have a longer wheelbase and consequently slightly more passenger room, but I could be mistaken. Can anyone list the benefits between both options? Any downfalls to either?


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Looking into a JK

Yeah TLife, the warranty was the other issue I forgot to mention. While it may not give me 100% protection, it'd be nice to have something to fall back on in the event something goes south. I worried coming home with the 2012 and then an issue comes up and I'd have no warranty coverage to back me up. Potential added cost to an already high payment started to sound dangerous.


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Old 02-15-2017, 11:49 AM
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Re: Looking into a JK

Buying a 2014-15 JK used makes zero sense to me. With their ridiculous resale value why would you pay just a few thousand less for a vehicle that is out of warranty and may or may not have been abused?

Anyway, to answer your question, my best advice is THOUROUGLY test drive any Jeep you are thinking about buying. Quality varies from Jeep to Jeep immensely, so don't assume one is the same as the next. Things to look for are:

1. Feel for water in the passenger side floorboard. The windshield frame often leaks and allows water to pool here. Most dealers will tell you it is a Jeep, it leaks, and wont fix it. Do not go down this road.

2. Drive the vehicle up to 70 mph on a smooth road. Driveline vibration is common in some of these, you will feel a slight shake in the seat of your pants. Hold out for one that doesn't have this.

3. Check the paint quality on the passenger side closely. Around the hood hinges, cowl and windshield seams, and around the door hinges. Some of these will have VERY thin paint on the passenger side, look for a tan primer showing through in these areas, it will look like dirt but does not come off when rubbed.

4. Unlimited's have more rear legroom room, far more cargo room, and drive much better than 2 doors due to the longer wheel base. 2 doors can feel twitchy at high speed, again, drive thoroughly at highway speed making lane changes etc. and you will feel the difference.

5. Listen for excessive wind noise around where the top meets the windshield frame. A low rumble is acceptable, a sound like a tornado in a tin shack is not. Some of these seal very poorly and whistle and hiss badly.

6. Early model 2012's had a cylinder head issue that was recalled, I would simply avoid the entire year.

7. Know the difference between a Sport, Sport S, Willys, Sahara, Rubicon, and all of the special editions out there. The bottom line is that all have the exact same engine and transmissions. You can get a brand new Sport for 26k or spend 50k on a fully loaded Hard Rock Rubicon. Options very GREATLY and most are not worth the money. Spend some time on the Jeep website building various combinations. Don't pay attention to styling issues, if you like a certain look, you can duplicate it on any Jeep for MUCH MUCH cheaper than buying the package. 4WD Hardware and Quadratec are two companies you should check out.

8. Ask yourself honestly why you are buying one. If it is because it looks cool, I can almost guarantee you will be miserable after a few months. There is a reason people wave at other Wrangler drivers on the road.....its because these things are like driving your riding lawn mower everyday and you pay dearly for the experience. If you don't plan on taking the top and doors off A LOT, there are MUCH MUCH better choices out there. There is a saying that goes: "One good day in a Jeep is worth putting up with it for the rest of the year". This simply means that running it with the top and doors off on a nice spring or summer day, is worth putting up with the terrible ride and drive the rest of the year. If you are not going to do this, I don't see the point in owning it.

9. I would avoid modified vehicles completely. Lift kits range from $200 kits to $5000+ kits for the same lift amount in inches....which one do you think drives better? Which one do you think 99% of the people buy? A improperly lifted Jeep takes an already poor handling vehicle and turns it into an abusive gorilla on methamphetamines.

10. If you do buy a modified Jeep or plan to modify it yourself, avoid the narrow front bumpers often seen on Wranglers today. The bumper needs to extend out the full width of the front factory bumper in order to protect the occupants from an offset frontal collision. If you remove the outside of the bumper and are involved in a collision, nothing but sheet metal is between you and the object you hit. The vehicles air bags, crush zones, and safety features will not engage, and your are pretty much riding a motorcycle at this point. They look cool, but a dangerous on the street.


Edited to add: Also look for a radiator leaking around the seams and bad ball joints. Two very common issues.
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Re: Looking into a JK

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So I guess my next question for you JK owners is whether or not to go with a 2 or 4 door JK. It's just my wife and our 11 year old son. The unlimited do look to me like they have a longer wheelbase and consequently slightly more passenger room, but I could be mistaken. Can anyone list the benefits between both options? Any downfalls to either?


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This is a question that ultimately, only you can answer. As far as my situation goes though? I've been a JK owner for four years and I currently have a JKU on order. I have not had a back seat in my JK in over a year because I always need more room to haul things. The JKU has right at the same amount of room with its back seats in the normal position as a JK does without the back seat in the Jeep.
I can never carry more than one person with me to do anything because of not having the back seat in.
So, for me, I'm getting a JKU so I can carry people as well as stuff at the same time.
Don't get me wrong. I love my JK and don't want to get rid of it, but my needs at this point dictate I get something with more room than my JK can provide.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Re: Looking into a JK

Thank you Jared and treefrog. Jared that write up, though. Perfect information for what I should consider down the road.


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Short answer... no. I wouldn't even consider that vehicle. Find something bone stock if buying used... not something with questionable workmanship and history. Man... you're awfully close at that price to what a Sport would cost brand new. Run...
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Btw Steve... there are dozens of posts out the re the infamous 2dr vs 4dr debate... Google it. Plenty of reading material.
Good luck dude.
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Re: Looking into a JK

Thanks SeaJay. I've wanted a Wrangler for many years, but cost always pushed me away. Not to mention the fact that I felt like they weren't "family" oriented. Of course, that was prior to the Unlimited. When that came out, I looked into that model, but again price turned me off. Income level then just didn't allow the idea. Things are much different now. The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards the Unlimited. It will, like I said, be a used Jeep when I finally purchase, but it won't as old as the one I was looking at initially. I'll go stock as you mentioned, so at least I have a blank slate. I had plans of lifting my GC (even though it's a 2WD...mainly for aesthetics), but have decided otherwise. I'd rather not invest more money into my GC, other than routine up keep, so that I can focus on saving towards the Wrangler and upgrades on that vehicle when the time comes.


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Family wise you can't beat the 4dr Steve... having the whole crew together with the top off is better than a day at Disney lol.
Don't get me wrong re buying a modded jeep though... if it's from the original owner at least you can get an idea of who did the work and what material was used. But a used, modded jeep from a Dealer? Who knows who worked on it and what was used.
I've alwas had luck buying a "clean slate" as you put it... that way whatever you change, if anything, is all you.
One tip... crawl underneath any Wrangler in your sights and give the undercarriage a good looking over. If it was wheeled hard this is where you'll see evidence of it.
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