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Old 09-08-2015, 08:44 AM
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New guy needs some friendly advice!

Fellas,

Apologizing in advance this might be a little long winded...

I'm preparing to purchase my first jeep. I've literally read hundreds of threads on here and while I've have gathered a fair bit of "book smarts," I need some real help from guys that have real experience. I don't want to have any regrets.

I have no desire to be a crazy rock crawler..lol..

This will be my daily driver. I live in Knoxville, TN. which is close to the Smoky Mountains and some other cool places to ride. I really love camping,, hiking and being outdoors. We see our share (usually small) of rainy weather and in the winter, we get some mud, snow and ice. The rest of the year, conditions are pretty fantastic. I'm 45 years old and an IT Manager by day. When asked why I want a jeep, it goes like this: I want to be able to drive down the road and if I see a lumber/forest road or a trail and the mood strikes me, I want to turn down that road and get lost for the weekend. Like I said, no intention of getting myself or my jeep into crazy dangerous situations that would put me in the poor house. :P

I'm thinking "simple" yet very capable. I love the idea of disconnects like on the Rubi. I love the idea of lockers front and back like the Rubi. I love the idea of idea of "no limits," but . . .

I love the lower cost (although maybe by only 3k-4K) of the Willys. I love the idea of simple and without all the bells and whistles.

I'm considering a Willy's (not W) model with the following configuration:

*Willy's JKU (not Willy's W)

*Half - doors

*Soft top

*3.73 gears

*standard wheels for a while then maybe larger wheels up to 35"

*LSD for the rear (due to previously described road conditions)

*cloth seats

*due to the half door choice- none of the power windows etc.


Now . . . points of contention.
While I love the idea of the half doors, I might be over romanticizing this idea It does get warm here in the summer and can get quite cold in the winter. The lack of the "foofy" options like power windows etc. also means the lack of rear defrosters etc. It also means that the top would be standard versus the premium and I'm not sure how that would all equate in a daily driver.

*The idea of a soft-top only option is also causes a little concern because of the lack of security. I do have my own house with two car garage and my work place is "jeep safe."

*The 3.73 gears seem to be favored less when guys start talking about larger tires, hauling small camping trailers or adding a lot of gear. These are some things that I might want to do at some point. Again, I only have that info from what has been posted on here on the forums- so no real experience.

*I also like the idea that I might what to, at some point in the future, add selectable lockers to the front and/or rear , if the standard set-up doesn't "do it" for me-- so would the Dana 30 up front be fine with the 44 in back or would I need to go to a Dana 44 up front.

If I were to chose the aftermarket locker route, what would be the desired set-up and would it void my Jeep warranty in any way.

I have pretty much figured out that , were I to choose this JKU setup, I'd have to order from Jeep rather than find a car local. No problem with the wait, but the reduction of the power train warranty in the 2016 models isn't something I'm happy about.

So-- I know that if money is no option, I can just buy whatever doesn't come on it from Jeep or some place else, but I don't want to waste money. If you guys suggest that the lockers are really the way to go, I'd probably look at a plan like this:

*Try to find a good deal on a JKU Rubi someplace local-- where I could get a 2015 warranty.

*Look for a Rubi with 4.1 gearing front and back in an automatic (which might lead to the Order dilemma) or 3.73 gearing which is much more common around here.

*Get some less than stellar aftermarket half doors

*Drive it all till it just falls apart . . .

Just cant get the Willy's style with the half doors off the brain . . .

Ok, Fellas . . .be Gentle!

-Tbird911-Out

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Old 09-09-2015, 11:03 PM
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Re: New guy needs some friendly advice!

A lot to read/respond to here, so I'll try to break it down into what I think may be two major categories-

Money no concern:
Get the full doors and order half doors from mopar accessories. That's what I did. Also got the dual top group for our 2016 so I have every way I can mix/match.

Money is a concern:
Go with hard top now, you can still use a hoist to raise off the roof with one person and drive topless. You can get mirror relocation brackets/"trail mirrors" to be able to take the doors off and go no doors. Almost as fun and a lot cheaper. We did a form of this on our 2004- we went dual top but never bothered to get half doors.


Ok, so there was a question about lockers- they're not really useful for driving on snow/ice. There may still be a workaround to make the factory ones work in 4-hi, but my only knowledge of that was from way back when we bought our 2004. In snow/icy conditions, you'll not be in 4-lo, so lockers won't be there without a workaround. Tires are more important than lockers for adverse conditions.

Thoughts about lockers for off-road: I've seen some people take unlocked jeeps over obstacles that others had issues with lockers on. There's a technique question and a spotter/route question. There's no doubt there's some stuff you'll need a winch for if you don't have lockers, but the subset of obstacles that falls in the "you certainly need lockers for" doesn't seem to be huge for the average wheeler. That having been said, I love mine. One of my kids doesn't seem to have the faith in me and our Jeep that I have, so she's quite concerned when we do things that look crazy difficult. With lockers engaged, I typically just drive right through/over whatever it is and doing so I'm trying hard to get that kid to feel more comfy in the environment.

Disconnects: Even if you don't get push-button disconnects, you can get a JKS quick disconnect or I think you can still get a Currie anti-rock dual rate bar for JKs- it's a bit more annoying to have to get out, but if the Jeep is on level ground, the JKS style work pretty well. We have them on our 2004- just one more thing I do when I air down in the beginning or up at the end.

I kind of cherry picked- let me know if there's specifics I missed. The willys wheeler (I'm not familiar with any "willys" that's not a "wheeler") seems to be a popular choice with people that anticipate off-road but yet don't want to step to a rubi.
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Re: New guy needs some friendly advice!

Willys S with full doors. No reason for half doors really IMO in your position. If you want more open air, doors off. If you want protection from old man winter, doors on, windows up, heater on. As much as we'd like to think power windows/locks are a luxury, try living without them for awhile. It sucks.
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Re: New guy needs some friendly advice!

I went round and round on this with my wife. I live in the NE, winters can be nasty. I love the look of half doors. Winter was the deciding factor on ordering full doors, I'll grab half's later on. I didnt want to deal with the plastic windows during snow. Now if someone had uppers with sliders, that may have been a totally different decision.

Hard Top, I have a jeep with one, I hate it, storing that beast is a pain. My Hard Rock is coming with a soft top, the wife has the hard top on her JKU.

My sport has manual locks and windows, believe it or not with the exception of my incoming Hard Rock my vehicles always had manual, never opted for power for myself.

I bought the sport in 2015 but have always wanted a Rubi..ordered the 2016 Hard Rock..I'm feeling guilty and a little selfish but my wife is supportive.

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Re: New guy needs some friendly advice!

OP:

first, welcome to JeepWorld!!!

Now..... re: "I need some real help from guys that have real experience. I don't want to have any regrets."

good luck with that 'no regrets' part

with Jeep, no matter WHAT you get, at a minimum you will have WAY more fun and in general approach the bumpy sections of Life in General with a grin on your face...due to the therapeutic effect of Jeep as a daily driver.

And then "I have no desire to be a crazy rock crawler..lol.."

Given your 'no regrets' goal is accurate, by avoiding the siren-call of rock-crawling, most of your miseries will simply not exist....especially if that includes 'crazed mudder' behavior as well.

I can attest to the ability to have unlimited enjoyment with your Jeep without the extreme demands of man/machine/bales of money by fire roads, moderate trails (you'll be surprised how entertaining 'moderate' can be) and various approach-with-caution outings you will discover.

Cheers, and don't sweat the high-end/high-dollar versions of the basic Jeep. Look what they did around the world with 60 hp and skinny tires.
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Re: New guy needs some friendly advice!

Thanks Guys . . .

Ordered as expected ! No turning back

I did change my order to Billet Silver (didnt realize how great that color is with the Willys black accents.) -
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I have my VON on the order info that the dealer sent to me . . .now , how /when can I track the beast ? I think I read that I can do it on here.

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I have my VON on the order info that the dealer sent to me . . .now , how /when can I track the beast ? I think I read that I can do it on here.

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You've got to "join" the site", become a paying member. You can track through just Jeep but I can tell you from experience that is a frustrating experience.
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You've got to "join" the site", become a paying member. You can track through just Jeep but I can tell you from experience that is a frustrating experience.

Ok . . . Done and Done!

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