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Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

I am thinking about ordering a JKU to start a build with. I don't know how mild to wild I will go, but I expect that if I do something, I will do it right...

I have a dealer here is who is working with me a bit on details, but I need some advice.

I have to have the auto... Non starter for my wife. I don't need the rubicon, nor will my goals ever require me to have one. I am somewhere in the sport s, black bear, or Sahara.... Just haven't decided.

Options wise... I am debating if the 3.73s from the factory is a good idea or not. The 3.21s would be fine until I lift it, at that point I would probably want 4.10s or 4.56s, right? So, is it even worth the upgrade? I would tie it into the max tow package to get the hitch out of the way, but I also know a hitch can be had for 100 bucks....

Second question is the trac-loc lsd for 400 bucks. From searching, some people care less, others like having it. I don't think my 4wheelin' will ever call for full lockers, so an lsd is nice. But, for 400 bucks, should I consider a different brand or model down the road if I re gear for a lift anyway?

Lastly, is the auto temp control worth it? I get it adds a filter, but compared to just a standard fan and knob, any other benefits?

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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

Like anyone will tell you; It depends on what your end goal is. If you want to lift, you will need a regear because lifts are almost Lways followed by bigger wheels and tires.

Inwould start with the 3.73 in the max tow package because the 3.21 is a tad too sluggish for my taste.

Differences between the sport and sahara will amount to cosmetic upgrades. Ie: do you like black or body color fenders/hardtop. The sahara is the new soccer mom vehicle. The sport is for those who want to build and personalize their wrangler.

Yes, LSD.

Autotemp is a personal preference. Some people like to get in with remote start and have the temperature already set. If thats not a major concern, you could do without the cost.
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:19 PM
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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

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Options wise... I am debating if the 3.73s from the factory is a good idea or not. The 3.21s would be fine until I lift it, at that point I would probably want 4.10s or 4.56s, right? So, is it even worth the upgrade? I would tie it into the max tow package to get the hitch out of the way, but I also know a hitch can be had for 100 bucks....
Compare the cost of just the 3.73 from the factory (non-Rubicon), to the Max Tow Package which includes the 3.73, and you find that the cost of the hitch will be in the same $100 range.

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Second question is the trac-loc lsd for 400 bucks. From searching, some people care less, others like having it. I don't think my 4wheelin' will ever call for full lockers, so an lsd is nice. But, for 400 bucks, should I consider a different brand or model down the road if I re gear for a lift anyway?
Many feel that the Traction Control based BLD is just about as good as the LSD, and the BLD comes free with all Wranglers.

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Lastly, is the auto temp control worth it? I get it adds a filter, but compared to just a standard fan and knob, any other benefits?
Its hard say because it is simply a convenience feature. I can say, it works far better than the auto temp controls I have in more "luxurious" vehicles.

You didn't mention it, but I will make a pitch for you to include the side air bags.
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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

...and I'll make the pitch to go with the Sahara if you can. My final decision came down to a brand new unlimited sport, manual, soft top vs. a 2013 unlimited sahara, auto, dual top.

It was a tough choice, but unlike a lot of guys, I enjoy some comfort and don't think having heated seats in a Wrangler is a bad thing. Nor am I a mother with children that play soccer. I'm glad I went with the loaded one. If not for the dual tops alone, it came with the max tow package, navigation, remote start, and wheels I will probably actually keep...stuff I probably would have added along the way is already there and under warranty. You can always take off the stuff you don't like and sell it. Things like chrome step tubes, chrome gas caps...all that stuff sells well and can fund other mods.
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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

Get a Rubicon with 4.10's or you'll regret and pay for it later.
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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

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It was a tough choice, but unlike a lot of guys, I enjoy some comfort and don't think having heated seats in a Wrangler is a bad thing.
The rest of us guys don't think heated seats are bad either. I suppose it's more of a "what part of the country do you live in" or "do you plan on submerging the vehicle to the point the seats are soaked, as well as your heating elements". Heated seats are nice, but not a necessity.

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Nor am I a mother with children that play soccer. I'm glad I went with the loaded one.
Every mom with children in Houston that play soccer, gymnastics, football, baseball, pageant shows, etc would disagree with you. Yes, I realize this is a regional statement and is not applicable to the Sahara owning base as a whole.

Loaded is subjective

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stuff I probably would have added along the way is already there and under warranty.
Except for the rock trac 4:1 transfer case, the 4:10 gears, the F/R lockers, the e/disco.

This only applies to the Rubicon. Sport, Black Bear, Sahara all have the exact same drive system and transfer case.

BTW, you can't order a Black Bear anymore. You'll have to find one that meets your needs option wise.

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You can always take off the stuff you don't like and sell it. Things like chrome step tubes, chrome gas caps...all that stuff sells well and can fund other mods.
Lets face reality, we can probably count on our fingers how many people have purchased a wrangler and never modded it to some degree.

As far as the chrome stuff goes, leave that to the soccer mom/sahara crowd.

If you want to mod the thing so it's personal, get a sport, but be prepared for an expensive journey. Fun, but expensive.

If you want a factory built vehicle that can do anything you want/need right out of the box, outside of hardcore crawling, a Rubicon is your best bet.

Anything in between is just a sport with lipstick.

BTW, if your dealer works with you, you can get affiliate pricing, and you have a little down, there's no reason you can't get a Rubicon and check all your boxes. This is exactly what I'm doing now. Should pick up my Firecracker Rubicon in a few days.

I hope you have enough information to make a somewhat informed choice. If not, come back and I'm sure all of us would be happy to give you completely and totally unbiased opinions of how we are are individually right about everything we say, regardless of the other peoples opinions.

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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

Thanks for all the feedback folks!

I'm spinning on a couple things - so always appreciate candidate feedback on cost versus value.... A couple of things I am thinking about...


If I go with the Sport 'S', I would get the black hard top, max tow, trac-loc, and the convenience package. It comes to an MSRP of just a hair over 36k... Not bad, but definitely the 'basic' package.

IF I go with a Sahara, I can swap to the color matched hard top (wife does like this), and add a nicety like heated seats. The wheels are nicer, and might re-prioritize my lift/wheels needs for a little time. Similarly equipped as the sport, but in Sahara form - MSRP comes out to 41k. Although the color matched fenders and top, and heated seats are worth some extra to me - I'm not sure 5k is the magic number... wow.

Rubicon... pretty much fitted out with the color matched fenders and top, 4.10 gears.... Stickers out at 47k.


At this point, I'm 11k over the cost of the sport S. Personally, I think I can re-gear to 4.10 or 4.56 for what, 1000 bucks all in at some point? And as much as I like color matched top and fenders, I'm not sure it's worth THAT much to me? Already looking at the granite crystal color, and the black does blend very nice...

I've got my eye on some FUEL wheels in an 18" size, and would run a 35" like everyone else does.... probably an AEV lift at some point. Bumpers are all coming off anyway...


My gut is telling me to go Sport S with the basics... add headed seats for a couple hundred bucks if it bothers me that bad... Get the fenders and top painted if it bothers me that bad... and just go from there.

I specifically do not want the alpine for 430 upgrade... I don't want leather since I'll put covers on the seats regardless...

Just trying to minimize the things I 'throw away'. I care less about the side steps, as I'm pretty sure I'll put AMP power deployable boards on it anyway...


now I am talking out loud....

Thanks for the opinions and advice. keep it coming!
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Would something like this be similar to what you are looking for?

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Thanks for all the feedback folks!



I'm spinning on a couple things - so always appreciate candidate feedback on cost versus value.... A couple of things I am thinking about...





If I go with the Sport 'S', I would get the black hard top, max tow, trac-loc, and the convenience package. It comes to an MSRP of just a hair over 36k... Not bad, but definitely the 'basic' package.



IF I go with a Sahara, I can swap to the color matched hard top (wife does like this), and add a nicety like heated seats. The wheels are nicer, and might re-prioritize my lift/wheels needs for a little time. Similarly equipped as the sport, but in Sahara form - MSRP comes out to 41k. Although the color matched fenders and top, and heated seats are worth some extra to me - I'm not sure 5k is the magic number... wow.



Rubicon... pretty much fitted out with the color matched fenders and top, 4.10 gears.... Stickers out at 47k.





At this point, I'm 11k over the cost of the sport S. Personally, I think I can re-gear to 4.10 or 4.56 for what, 1000 bucks all in at some point? And as much as I like color matched top and fenders, I'm not sure it's worth THAT much to me? Already looking at the granite crystal color, and the black does blend very nice...



I've got my eye on some FUEL wheels in an 18" size, and would run a 35" like everyone else does.... probably an AEV lift at some point. Bumpers are all coming off anyway...





My gut is telling me to go Sport S with the basics... add headed seats for a couple hundred bucks if it bothers me that bad... Get the fenders and top painted if it bothers me that bad... and just go from there.



I specifically do not want the alpine for 430 upgrade... I don't want leather since I'll put covers on the seats regardless...



Just trying to minimize the things I 'throw away'. I care less about the side steps, as I'm pretty sure I'll put AMP power deployable boards on it anyway...





now I am talking out loud....



Thanks for the opinions and advice. keep it coming!

Did you look at a Willys? Actually, probably no - it's really rare to see one on a dealer's lot for some reason. But look at the list of inclusions. Might fit the bill for you.

Another important question: will you be driving in the snow much? Rubi isn't as good at keeping you out of trouble (the lockers specifically exclude the LSD, and can only be engaged in 4 Low). Great at getting you out of the ditch you slid into, just not quite as good at avoiding it. Since you're considering models with just about every tire the factory offers, that might be a consideration as well (are those tires good at what you'll ask them to do, or are you looking at another $1500+ in tires almost right away?).

Just some food for thought.


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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

If you're not planning on off-roading much, the sport/sahara is more than adequate. The sport has everything a sahara does, just not as "plush". The sahara is more of a comfy ride but does everything a sport can, for a bit. Ore cash.

The rubicon is where things get tough decision wise. The rubicon comes with a dana 44 up front, not a dana 30. It also comes with rock rails, which you'll probably take off; suspension upgrades, which you'll probably take off; swaybar disconnect, which is always nice and doesnt come on lower models; roc-trac transfer case with a slower crawl rate. Pretty much everything else is exactly the same as a sport/sahara. You're paying extra for the mechanical/driveline upgrades. There will always be a debate on which is better, lsd or lockers. The choice is yours and purely subjective to what your needs are.

If you ever look at resale, simply having the Rubicon name increases the price over the sport/sahara.

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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

By reading your posts from the beginning you know what you want you just maybe don't know if you want a more rugged looking vehicle or a prettier painted up nice wheels Saraha.
Figure that then you got it! The goodies no one can answer but you.
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Re: Thinking about ordering a JKU, question?

If you don't plan to ever take the jeep off-road don't get a rubicon. A willys might fit the bill. Why would you lift it if you have no intentions of going off-road? Ride quality and MPGs will drop, ours is not lifted but we put duratracs on it after the stocks wore out. I laugh at all of those pavement princess jeeps with 35" tires and backspaced wheels, because I know they wouldn't make it down a gravel road without getting stuck. A co-worker of mine has a JKU that was lifted with 35" tires that stuck out their flares and they complained how bad their jeep rode and couldn't believe we drove ours from Michigan to Colorado and back last summer. I spec'd better wheels/tires and a few suspension upgrades and they love how it rides now. It's amazing what good tires, wheels and a correct alignment can do.

My first JKU I ordered was a Sport because I thought a rubicon was overpriced Jeep marketing. Two years later I ordered a JKUR, only options were dual tops, heated seats, tow and connectivity. We do not bog or crawl our jeep but we have used all the features of the rubicon and will probably be ordering a similar one to replace it before the redesign hits the market. We mostly trail ride on logging roads, 2-tracks, dunes, etc. When I spec out a new one I may go for the AEV bumpers because I'd like to have a winch since we are solo a lot on the trails.

BTW - it's a stick and my wife drives it as her daily driver and we also have a stick in our challenger. We have two girls 9&5, they will learn to drive with a stick and most likely have a stick in their first vehicle.
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