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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

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I have talked to a few installers and owners today. Tgey all say the mopar is blah. I have be steered towards zone or rubicon express by most. The kits look goid but need a few extras in order to a "perfect" lift for tge long hual. Thank you for the advice so far!! Most kits just seem to be missing a piece or two to be complete. Do you guys know about the exhuast spacers for 12 and newer? What does it move around or push from norm?
The shop installing Zone is obviously going to be bias toward the Zone product.
Zone is the generic version of BDS. BDS uses Rancho shocks and offers a lifetime warranty but haven't heard good things about the ride quality of Zone. The kit is cheap for a reason and im sure you've heard this before but you get what you pay for. Funny you claim others call the Mopar lift "blah" when it uses quality Fox shocks and Mopar backed components yet the kit that's on the top of your list is one of the cheapest in cost and quality on the market. Sounds like you're looking for the best deal and not the best option. Good luck.

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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

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At 2 times the cost of the other kits mentioned I would hope not.
I certainly did. I feel the ride is smoother. I like my original geometry to be correct and I get more for the money. I don't believe you can get the same quality and performance from RC, RE, or Mopar. When my wife gets her Rubicon, it will get the same treatment.

The only thing close from Mopar is a 4" lift with most of the components but they're not adjustable and don't include a trackbar.

So you get almost the same equipment, but not everything
It isn't adjustable, so your geometry is not correct
It costs roughly the same as a full kit that ensures everything is perfect.

OME has a similar package but is 1k more expensive and it still doesn't include parts for geometry correction

So you get almost the same equipment, but not everything
It isn't adjustable, so your geometry is not correct
It costs roughly 1k more than a full kit that ensures everything is perfect.

Rubicon Express has a similar package but not all of the components are adjustable. It also doesn't include a trackbar or shocks

So you get almost the same equipment, but not everything
It isn't adjustable, so your geometry is not correct
It costs roughly about 6-700 less than a full kit that ensures everything is perfect.

So, where did I go wrong?

A lift kit isn't merely "Uhhhh, derrrrrrr, i gots ta gets meh a lifs cuz erbody says ile be kool if I does"

Sure, opt for a less expensive package IF it has everything you believe you will need.
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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

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I have talked to a few installers and owners today. Tgey all say the mopar is blah. I have be steered towards zone or rubicon express by most. The kits look goid but need a few extras in order to a "perfect" lift for tge long hual. Thank you for the advice so far!! Most kits just seem to be missing a piece or two to be complete. Do you guys know about the exhuast spacers for 12 and newer? What does it move around or push from norm?
"Blah" is relative when you don't sell Mopar parts. I'm not pushing Mopar, but what I do like about the Mopar kit... it has no exhaust spacer.

The aftermarket "Spacer" is a cheap way around the problem... plus no one can confirm how much the exhaust loop affects emissions or performance - its supposed to equalize pressure between the right/left cylinders - since this motor doesn't have headers. The engineers didn't put it there for kicks.. I guarantee that.

If you don't go Mopar.. at least buy the Mopar front driveshaft and toss the aftermarket spacer...

Now add that cost to the list of alternatives.

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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

Thank you again for the responses everybody!! I am spending 3-4 hours a day in research some of these point realky help direct my time!!

The mopar driveshaft is $600 alone. The mopar kit is out as i want a perfect setup. I am considering the driveshaft tho as i dint like the spacer idea but $50 vs $600 is a tough swallow.

As if today i have landed at JKS so far. I can down grade out of fox 2.0 shocks to something a bit more daily friendly and save $$. The offer adjustable trac bars and control arms to ensure a perfect alignment. Along with 3-4 shock options. The price is salty at $1500ish+ but when tires are $1700 every 2-3 years i feel the extra will pay itself back in tire life.

Since it will be more daily driver tgan anything the ride and wear are #1

Keep the great advice coming tho as i have 6 more weeks to decide the final choice!!
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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

My only comment is that I've got a Mopar Stage III (3" lift) and couldn't be happier. In my old TJ, I had just about everybody's adjustable flexy jointed control arms and they all wore out.

I selected the Mopar lift BECAUSE if isn't adjustable. So far for me, it has been a wise choice as I just turned over 55K miles with zero lift related issues. Additionally, many folks with adjustable control arms are not fond of the jam nuts that often require tightening.

I regularly hit difficult trails with this lift and it works perfectly for my type of wheeling. I admit that other brand lifts may offer better articulation, but I doubt any will match the longevity without significant maintenance if then. Your mileage may vary.
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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

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My only comment is that I've got a Mopar Stage III (3" lift) and couldn't be happier. In my old TJ, I had just about everybody's adjustable flexy jointed control arms and they all wore out.

I selected the Mopar lift BECAUSE if isn't adjustable. So far for me, it has been a wise choice as I just turned over 55K miles with zero lift related issues. Additionally, many folks with adjustable control arms are not fond of the jam nuts that often require tightening.

I regularly hit difficult trails with this lift and it works perfectly for my type of wheeling. I admit that other brand lifts may offer better articulation, but I doubt any will match the longevity without significant maintenance if then. Your mileage may vary.
+1 ..

There's nothing wrong with fixed-length control arms designed for a specific kit....

You really only need adjustable control arms if you plan on going higher at a later date.

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There's nothing wrong with fixed-length control arms designed for a specific kit....

You really only need adjustable control arms if you plan on going higher at a later date.

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Or if you want correct suspension geometry. Sometimes little stuff like that matters
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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

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Or if you want correct suspension geometry. Sometimes little stuff like that matters
Typically a spec kit has the hardware required.. or at minimum reference PN's to correct geometry. We're talking caster and axle position because that's what fixed-length spec arms do or what adjustable arms are for if you are building your own suspension.

The issue with adjustable arms are assuring the installer is competent enough to get them right. I've had adjustable arms on my 1991 Cherokee XJ with 5" RE SuperFlex suspension for over 15 years- never once have they needed adjusting.

If the kit doesn't have the hardware or instructions to obtain those components, I would pass on that kit..

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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

So as of today i am planning on a BDS lift with slightly upgraded shocks. Then add adjustable trac bars, jflex adjustable lower control arms, bds steering stablizer, jks brake line brackets, and exhuast spacers( prefer drive shaft but cant choke $600 down). All for a 3" lift. Putting MHT fuel coupler 18X9 wheels w/ toyo open country R/T 285/75/18. Thank you for the advice!!
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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

If you go with 17" wheels, you'll save enough to get the driveshaft


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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

I went to Mrwheeldeal.com will save anybody enough monay to do it. They saved me $800 on wheels and tires. My lift shop said the exhaust spacers/driveshaft is not needed at 3". They are doing 3 a day so i figure they should know! Hopefully
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Re: Trying to choose a lift. Need advice pls

On a 2007-2011 the spacer/driveshaft isn't a thing...but with the 3.6, you'll see issues.

Local shops are perfectly happy selling you something today that will bring you back to buy something else tomorrow.


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