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Re: Value differential on stock WW/Rub tires/wheels vs Sport S tires/Wheels

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I want to reiterate that the Sport S-Willeys is different for me than many since it is mandatory Sport S vs Willys Wheeler "W" since I want airbags as the 2door JK has about the worse side impact numbers imaginable -- worse than JKU.
I agree side airbags were a must for me also in my JKU (same in 4 door it was the Willys W I would have to buy). I am shocked the aren't standard.
I share your concern about side impact protection so I ordered with the airbags of course. I also added the rubicon rock rails and will be ordering ace rock sliders. I like the "look" but these IMO should also offer some additional side impact protection. Hopefully wont ever need it.

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Re: Value differential on stock WW/Rub tires/wheels vs Sport S tires/Wheels

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Again, if you don't want/like the base wheels from a Sport, who many people can there be wanting to upgrade their new ride with them? That's their real value. Not some percentage off one might get from a parts dept.

Hay, if you can find someone to pay you $2,000 for a set of Sport take-off wheels, you'll have my admiration.
Really why are you just wildly my stated number from $400 to $2,000 in your response?? I clearly estimated the possible value to dealers of brand new spot S Wheels offs to be ~$80 each or $400 for five. It is also based on actual quotes for the exchange when it arrives at the factory


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assuming WW wheels are cost to the dealer of $1,600, the new Sport S cast offs are worth at least $80 each/ $400 for five to them.
So your argument against my point is based on you taking my estimate and increasing it five fold?
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Re: Value differential on stock WW/Rub tires/wheels vs Sport S tires/Wheels

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Really why are you just wildly my stated number from $400 to $2,000 in your response?? I clearly estimated the possible value to dealers of brand new spot S Wheels offs to be ~$80 each or $400 for five. It is also based on actual quotes for the exchange when it arrives at the factory


This is what I wrote (and you yourself quoted me):


So your argument against my point is based on you taking my estimate and increasing it five fold?
No need in starting trouble where there is none. As my grandfather would have said you took this the looooong way around the barn and then began adding stuff we didn't know about well after the fact. No wonder folks got confused or frankly fell asleep in the middle of it. It was a confusing post that didn't have to be. Had you stated the three sentences relating to the wheels instead of all the other extraneous posts that did nothing in the way of a resolution regarding your main point we could have all saved some time and trouble. Three sentences was all you needed to state your point. It went into two pages, I don't know how many paragraphs and a pile of stuff not related to tires or wheels. Just ease up fellows we are all just trying to get to the bottom of this and that's the main point. Lets don't get it all even further side tracked with a pissing contest. All these guys work their butts off trying to be helpful to one another. It's hard to phrase the written word to have the same meaning as looking face to face someone where the crinkle of an eye or even a laugh can make all the difference. Just assume we all meant well and forget it.
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Re: Value differential on stock WW/Rub tires/wheels vs Sport S tires/Wheels

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I agree side airbags were a must for me also in my JKU (same in 4 door it was the Willys W I would have to buy). I am shocked the aren't standard.
I share your concern about side impact protection so I ordered with the airbags of course. I also added the rubicon rock rails and will be ordering ace rock sliders. I like the "look" but these IMO should also offer some additional side impact protection. Hopefully wont ever need it.
The side impact test scores are even worse on the two door (JK) than four door (JKU).

I don't mind so much that they are optional, or even that it only brings the air bags from two to four when lots of vehicles have six or more standard. I know I am buying a Wrangler and not a Subaru.

It is simply that certain configurations of the Wrangler, including my preferred one, adding airbags costs $1.300. I have no problem with comfort features, or rock climbing ability, requiring moving to a completely higher trim level that may increase cost to purchaser more than the attribute they want costs. For example if you want to articulate you sway bar you have to buy a rubicon or deal with it yourself. If you want to buy power windows you need an upscale package. No problem with that. Jeep cant make a million pricing models for every possible single option.

But with side air bags some people are confronted by much higher actual added cost than the $500, and some will pay that $1,300, and some will forgoe side airbags on a US vehicle that needs them.


As far as rails, sliders, hard strong steel steps, that does give you some protection. But you may need to lift the vehicle to do so, and each inch of lift adds to rollover risk and risk of control loss while attempting an avoidance maneuver at speed. Moreover adding rails actually increases transfer of force from vehicle to passenger. Things that don't yield or "crumple" have upside and downside. this is the same as unyielding bumpers. That adds to protection in some ways and makes injuries more likely in other ways
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Re: Value differential on stock WW/Rub tires/wheels vs Sport S tires/Wheels

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No need in starting trouble where there is none. As my grandfather would have said you took this the looooong way around the barn and then began adding stuff we didn't know about well after the fact. No wonder folks got confused or frankly fell asleep in the middle of it. It was a confusing post that didn't have to be. Had you stated the three sentences relating to the wheels instead of all the other extraneous posts that did nothing in the way of a resolution regarding your main point we could have all saved some time and trouble. Three sentences was all you needed to state your point. It went into two pages, I don't know how many paragraphs and a pile of stuff not related to tires or wheels. Just ease up fellows we are all just trying to get to the bottom of this and that's the main point. Lets don't get it all even further side tracked with a pissing contest. All these guys work their butts off trying to be helpful to one another. It's hard to phrase the written word to have the same meaning as looking face to face someone where the crinkle of an eye or even a laugh can make all the difference. Just assume we all meant well and forget it.
Respectfully I never said or implied I expected $2,000 for Sport S wheels from the dealer. To me it is drive by to take my quote and change my $400 estimate and just change it to imply I was saying $2,000. I am talking about a way to reduce cost by a few hundred bucks. As I noted I do not have a place to keep them to craigslist them myself and once driven off the lot, leverage and newness both reduce. Because of bolt patterns, if the SS wheel is of some value at all , even 25% of price, it is a jeep dealer.

if some one wants to say: "I have tried it", or "others have tried it" or "I have worked a jeep dealership" -- "and they don't have any demand whatsoever for 17, so they are 100% worthless to them," that will be helpful to me educational to me.

That is why my title is "value difference", not price or cost difference. I know the dealer would never offer more than price or cost. Price and cost are just somewhat helpful to getting to value, knowing value will be a much lower number.

The first response I got did the numbers on one option, S Sport with 3.73, LSD and other willies options, but left out the big number -- the fact that I would have to pay $1,900 to buy 5 WW wheels online and $100 to mount balance them to get my end requirement!

the main problem is the secondary market in buying WWW (or black bear) wheels is way less than Rubicon. I have been following craglist and they are very rare. That is why I also wanted to explore this possibility
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