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Willys VS Rubicon concerns

Hell all- My name is James, and Im a new member and new poster here (though vie been lurking here for weeks reading).

Im about to order a 2017 Jeep and Ive been agonizing over a few things and I would really love your input on.

Histo4rically speaking, I previously had a 2010 2 dr Rubicon that I loved, but rarely used it for what it was meant for. Few times on the beach, few times in the mud.. but never any serious climbing. Most times it was my daily driver, top off and doors off and even though I didnít use it for hard core rock work, I LOVED the way it looked.

Now Im in the market for a 17 and Im torn between another Rubicon (which I admit is overkill) or a Willys. The price difference is doable for me, but not sure if I should.



Heres are my questions:

- Even though in the build sheet the tires are listed as the same, no matter what the Willys seems to look smaller and thinner (than on the Rubicon). Is there a reason for that? I know I can buy after markets and all that, but Id prefer it be from the factory.

- Many of the photos if Willys show it with rails, but I donít see that as an add on. Do they come standard, similar to a Rubi? (never mind, i see that rails are added)

Seems I can get all the add ons I want on the Willys, cept those few things... any thoughts?

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Hello and Welcome,


Tough Decision. I liked my '15 Willys very much and I'm still sad it was totaled in a wreck a few weeks ago, I like my new Hard Rock Rubicon very much Also. I'm enjoying the upgraded features that weren't available on the Willys
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- Even though in the build sheet the tires are listed as the same, no matter what the Willys seems to look smaller and thinner (than on the Rubicon). Is there a reason for that? I know I can buy after markets and all that, but Id prefer it be from the factory.

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this. They're the same tire with the same suspension and a black version of the same wheel. Available body color fenders/top and different decals are the only visual differences between a Rubicon and Willys.

My opinion is that if you're not using the extra off-road features of the Rubicon (lockers/sway bar disco ect) then why pay for them?



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Re: Willys VS Rubicon concerns

Willys and Rubicon are identical from the exterior. Same tires, same wheels, same rock sliders, same suspension, all variations are cosmetic only, i.e. wheel color and stickers.

In 2wd and 4WD HI both vehicles will perform identically. It's only when 4-LO is engaged that things begin to differentiate. As you know, the transfer case in the Rubicon is lowered gear, and the front and rear diffs have lockers. There is an electronic sway bar disconnect as well. The front axle is also upgraded from the Dana 30 to the Dana 44.

The parts on the Rubicon are worth the money. If you had a shop install front and rear selectable lockers on your Willys it would cost you about $5,000 by the time you bought two ARB's, a compressor, and paid for installation. You would still have a Dana 30 and no electronic sway bar disconnect and a standard transfer case.

But to answer your question, let me ask a question. Have you ever gotten a stock Jeep with open diffs stuck? (Or did you ever get stuck in your last Rubi and have to engage one or both lockers) If the answer is NO, then you most certainly do not need the Rubicon and would be much better served with the Willys.
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Willys and Rubicon are identical from the exterior. Same tires, same wheels, same rock sliders, same suspension, all variations are cosmetic only, i.e. wheel color and stickers.

In 2wd and 4WD HI both vehicles will perform identically. It's only when 4-LO is engaged that things begin to differentiate. As you know, the transfer case in the Rubicon is lowered gear, and the front and rear diffs have lockers. There is an electronic sway bar disconnect as well. The front axle is also upgraded from the Dana 30 to the Dana 44.

The parts on the Rubicon are worth the money. If you had a shop install front and rear selectable lockers on your Willys it would cost you about $5,000 by the time you bought two ARB's, a compressor, and paid for installation. You would still have a Dana 30 and no electronic sway bar disconnect and a standard transfer case.

But to answer your question, let me ask a question. Have you ever gotten a stock Jeep with open diffs stuck? (Or did you ever get stuck in your last Rubi and have to engage one or both lockers) If the answer is NO, then you most certainly do not need the Rubicon and would be much better served with the Willys.

Jared, your summary above is excellent. Just two points:
1) there is a difference in 2w and 4wH -- the Willys has a rear Limited slip +BLD differential with LSD's mostly positives and slight negatives, while the rubicon will be open differential + BLD differential in those settings.

2) I think maybe the Willys in the WW (base) version, at least in the 2 door, has the lower number of branches wiring harness of the "sport" while the "WW-W" has the more complex harness found in sport S, Shara and Rubicon, as you will notice you can't add side airbags and some other electric based things in the WW, while you can add them in the WW-W and Rubicon.

When I was doing my comparison the fact that the supplemental side airbags were a must have in my case, meant I was not comparing WW base to Rubicon, but WW-W to Rubicon. This reduced effective difference in price between willys and rubicon in my case by $800.

One more small difference if you are changing the wheels out, the wheels of the WW appear to be going for more money in the cast off market than the Rubicon wheels comparing cragislist other things equal (with or without Ttre monitors, with or without tires)
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Re: Willys VS Rubicon concerns

Thanks all for the replies so far. I think what I was getting at is that listed all external non cosmetic things are the same between the two models.. wheels, tires, suspension.. however, side by side (in photos) I can tell a difference. The wheels seem to sit out more than the WW, which at first I thought was because they were different tires... now I wonder if theres not wheel spacers on the Rubi? maybes its just an optical illusion due to the black wheels?

Either way, once I add the options, the price difference is less than 1500 for me, so ill go with the Rubi again.

Thanks again all.
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