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Re: 2012 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - MSRP Pricing

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Yeah, plus the Jeep compares to WAY MORE than just an SUV. How many normal CARs do you know that can go 0-60 in ~5s? .
Can you say S4... at around 50,000 and AWD.

And it won't kill you at the pump.

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Can you say S4 at around 50,000 and AWD.
I can disagree that the S4 is comparable, only because my friend and neighbor has the 2010 S4. Great car. A touch slower the WK1SRT8 and it just doesn't hold the cargo our Jeep can. He is looking at the new Jeep as his next vehicle so he can tote around the kid parafunalia that comes with them.
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S4 is not a normal car, I used to own one, that is how I know......
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Re: 2012 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - MSRP Pricing

I'll be happy to have an SUV which can keep pace with most of these $50K sports cars both on the track and especially at the quarter mile.. Bring on the fun!!
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Re: 2012 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - MSRP Pricing

BostonDMD - in regards to your comment about not being able to track a GC overland...you are obviousy clueless on what is going on here. I will state once again, during the previous gen the SRT was CHEAPER than the Overland. Both trim levels got the same major revisions, but for some reason Jeep feels these are now worth 10-13K more?!

Again folks....Jeep is trying to rip you off. If you can't see that, than you deserve to be ripped off.

I think the fact that Milous stated as much is proof enough.
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Re: 2012 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - MSRP Pricing

I don't dispute some gouging, but I also see it the other way around where the Jeep is $60K less than a Cayenne Turbo and performs nearly the same (hopefully). This tells me Jeep just realized they have "cracked the code" here and are sitting on a gold mine. Who is to blame them for being greedy. And why is it that nobody is playing the same blame game with Porsche - who by the way, has only been building SUVs for a few years (unlike Jeep). The gig is UP! Jeep FTW!
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Re: 2012 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - MSRP Pricing

No it's not normal ...but it's not an expensive exotic either as being referred in the other post. You don't have to pay 60 to 80,000 to do under 5 sec. Base price for a S4 starts out at 47,300 with 6MT. If you need a trailer hitch than get a Jeep.

I was going to order the SRT8... but not at that price not for a Jeep.
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not at that price not for a Jeep.
I think this is EXACTLY what Chrysler is trying to change ($ in their favor $) - They are not viewed as a serious player, and this is their attempt to try and change that.

Just look at Hyundai... Next thing you know they have cars over $50K with some of the best and most innovative options you've seen, standard, and are winning award after award of safety, reliability, and their warranties...

Jeep is probably sick of sitting around in the middle and is trying to increase their TAM by doing this... It's good product marketing if you ask me. Bound to piss off some purists, but it is what it is. You can't always make everyone happy.
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BostonDMD - in regards to your comment about not being able to track a GC overland...you are obviousy clueless on what is going on here. I will state once again, during the previous gen the SRT was CHEAPER than the Overland. Both trim levels got the same major revisions, but for some reason Jeep feels these are now worth 10-13K more?!

Again folks....Jeep is trying to rip you off. If you can't see that, than you deserve to be ripped off.

I think the fact that Milous stated as much is proof enough.
Bottom line is that if it not worth to you, go buy a Cayenne turbo and stop whining......

BTW, thanks for the insult and for "looking out for me getting ripped off"......

I hope you are not the typical jeep owner.......
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Re: 2012 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - MSRP Pricing

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How is a 80-90K sedan an alternative for the SRT8?
If I wanted to spend that much money I would buy another fully loaded Cayenne S......
I want a faster vehicle, not slower, so the Cayenne S it out.

For those who want a fast AWD vehicle that holds 4 comfortably, it is an alternative and has an MSRP of $73k. If you want to tow it is not an alternative for you.

By my estimate the MB CLS will have a similar cost of ownership over a 3yr period as the Jeep. 24 Hwy Mpg, 4 yr 50,000 mile warranty. 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times that are faster than the Jeep.

I bought my WK SRT8 because I wanted a "sports car" type vehicle with AWD that I can drive year round, even in the snow.

The Jeep SRT8, CLS 4-matic, E550 4-matic, Audi A6/S6, MB 63 AMG, Nissan GTR (not as comfortable) all fit the profile. If SRT made a car with AWD, I would consider it as well.

As I have stated in other posts, cost of ownership is more important to me than initial cost. To others the "lease payment" might be more important.

I do not think the Jeep is worth the depreciation risks at $62k + TTL. Maybe it will hold it's value well, It is just not a financial risk I am willing to take. The initial test, would be to ask your dealer what a $0 down 12k/yr 36 month lease payment will be.
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Re: 2012 Grand Cherokee SRT8 - MSRP Pricing

A lot of valid points have been presented here, in that in comparison with other high-end SUV's the Jeep may still be considered "a good value".

However, the problem I have is that we are not getting ANYTHING more for the huge increase in price - the price was increased ONLY because they felt they could get away with it and justify it based on the price of other luxury vehicles.

Another inexcusable mistake that Jeep made was not giving dealers or customers any indication or hint that the new Jeep was going to be priced at a whopping 30% higher than the outgoing model. While they did not have the exact price finalized until recently, they certainly knew when the order banks opened that the plan was to bring it out with a huge price increase. Now they have a lot of disappointed customers who are shocked that the vehicle they ordered is going to cost them a LOT more than they ever would have imagined.

Looking back at the last 10-20 years or more I cannot think of a single vehicle in the Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep lineup that had such a massive increase in price when a next gen all-new version came out. In every single case only modest price increases have been put into place, and more often than not the new vehicle was a better value due to more features being offered as standard.

To further rub salt in the wound, Jeep has packaged some of the options to further milk its customers out of more money. To get the single sunroof, for example, you are forced to buy a $1500 rear DVD system that many owners will never use. If you want the dual sunroof you have to spend a whopping $4,200. So, while they may advertise a $55k base MSRP, the fact is that buyers are going to have to shell out a lot more just for some basic features.

What Jeep should have done was to bring out the new SRT in a more basic/raw package in the price range of the other SRT vehicles, and then perhaps added a "luxury" high-end version with all the fancy amenities. This would have satisfied its existing customer base, and offered something for higher end customers.

There has been talk of a higher power special edition Jeep coming out in the future, a special edition model. If this comes to be, I can only guess that we would be looking at a base MSRP of $65-$70k. It looks like that for performance Jeeps, the "best bang for the buck" days are coming to an end. How sad.
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A lot of valid points have been presented here, in that in comparison with other high-end SUV's the Jeep may still be considered "a good value".

However, the problem I have is that we are not getting ANYTHING more for the huge increase in price - the price was increased ONLY because they felt they could get away with it and justify it based on the price of other luxury vehicles.

Another inexcusable mistake that Jeep made was not giving dealers or customers any indication or hint that the new Jeep was going to be priced at a whopping 30% higher than the outgoing model. While they did not have the exact price finalized until recently, they certainly knew when the order banks opened that the plan was to bring it out with a huge price increase. Now they have a lot of disappointed customers who are shocked that the vehicle they ordered is going to cost them a LOT more than they ever would have imagined.

Looking back at the last 10-20 years or more I cannot think of a single vehicle in the Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep lineup that had such a massive increase in price when a next gen all-new version came out. In every single case only modest price increases have been put into place, and more often than not the new vehicle was a better value due to more features being offered as standard.

To further rub salt in the wound, Jeep has packaged some of the options to further milk its customers out of more money. To get the single sunroof, for example, you are forced to buy a $1500 rear DVD system that many owners will never use. If you want the dual sunroof you have to spend a whopping $4,200. So, while they may advertise a $55k base MSRP, the fact is that buyers are going to have to shell out a lot more just for some basic features.

What Jeep should have done was to bring out the new SRT in a more basic/raw package in the price range of the other SRT vehicles, and then perhaps added a "luxury" high-end version with all the fancy amenities. This would have satisfied its existing customer base, and offered something for higher end customers.

There has been talk of a higher power special edition Jeep coming out in the future, a special edition model. If this comes to be, I can only guess that we would be looking at a base MSRP of $65-$70k. It looks like that for performance Jeeps, the "best bang for the buck" days are coming to an end. How sad.
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