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Re: 5150 Curb Weight....Ugh!!!

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By the way.... can ANYONE name an SRT vehicle that was slower than the previous version? I can't. Sure would be kinda disappointing for the Jeep to be the first. Hope it ain't so.
I think Jeep has already put that one to bed, the 2012 WK2 SRT8 is not slower than the previous model when compared STOCK to STOCK! Everyone here is getting all up in arms comparing what the WK2 SRT8 will do out of the box with modified WK SRT8's, it's not a fair comparison.

BTW, how long did it take the aftermarket to kick in on the original? I would think 12 - 18 months would be considered the norm.
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Re: 5150 Curb Weight....Ugh!!!

How long did it take for the new Stang or Camaro to be tuned? A week maybe?!?! Why? Because Ford and Chevy are smart and don't change the whole tuning platform with every motor. They know that the aftermarket is important in selling vehicles. And I NEVER said that the new Jeep was SLOWER. I just said it would be DISAPPOINTING if it was. I haven't seen any proof that it's faster. I haven't seen one nor driven one. No magazine has tested one yet. I heard of stock WK1's running anywhere from 12.8-13.3. Time will tell. I didn't come in this thread to start a pissing match. I'm not talking about a modded WK1 vs. a stock WK2.

When your talking about the aftermarket products being released on the WK1..... it was a BRAND NEW PLATFORM. The WK2 isn't a first year platform. It's a continuation of the previous version. Anytime a brand new vehicle is made it takes a while for tuning to be available as well as other things. This is the second go around for the GCSRT. Look at Ford..... brand new motor.... tuning still works. Chrysler makes a new motor and redesigns everything software wise. Just not a smart move IMO. People buy MOPARS and love to modify them. Just show up to any MODERN HEMI SHOOTOUT event. Chryco needs to take a lesson from Ford and Chevy and learn how to help out the aftermarket to make people more interested in their products. Ford, Chevy, Toyota, and Nissan warranty their cars with the right aftermarket blower on it. God forbid Chrysler steps up. Oh Lord, they may sell some more cars! Rant over....
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Re: 5150 Curb Weight....Ugh!!!

Harrison,

I didn't mean to imply you were comparing stock to modded or saying that the new SRT was slower but others have, without having any real info to back them up.

As for the other issues, I agree 100% except for the point about this being a continuation platform. While it's true the SRT is a 2012 and the WK2 has been out since late 2010 I think you can still consider it a new platform since the performance aftermarket really won't latch on until the SRT comes out. As for tuning, I suppose the changes were partly due to new ownership, loss of support from Daimler on the older platform and a pesky thing called bankruptcy. Hopefully they learn their lessons and the MOPAR division starts catching up with the other OEM's and puts some heat on corporate to participate in the aftermarket more.
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Re: 5150 Curb Weight....Ugh!!!

What I meant about an existing platform is that no GCSRT existed before the WK1's came out. The WK2 GCSRT isn't a brand new product like the WK1 was. The WK2 is a newer model of an existing vehicle line. Hopefully bc the WK1 already existed, the AM companies won't take so long to release stuff. Sadly though, like I said earlier, my souce at Diablo once told me it'll be quite a while before tuning is available. Sucks for us bc we have a 5.7l Chally and a 6.4L Chally wanting TT kits. Our hands are tied waiting for Diablo.

To ME, the new GC doesn't fit my bill for what I want it for. Different strokes for different folks like I said before. This newer version won't be as track friendly as the WK1. Heavier and the new rear end mainly. Countless LX SRT guys are ripping out their rear ends and replacing them with straight axles for more strength.

People like me and others do race these vehicles. We LOVE taking them to the track. Some people buy them and hardly touch them. The people that are into going real fast just don't care for it and that's our opinion and we are entitled to whether we like it or not. Like I said, I like some parts of it and don't care for lots of it. I'm sure it would be a great DD with bad gas milage. I love the interior and the new motor..... it's proven to be a beast in other platforms. I'm just not a fan of the styling degradation of it. Not a fan of the Porsche lights on the front. Not a fan of the rear end. Not a fan of the wheels.

I know for a fact that there's no way in hell that the motor is 470hp. Not from what I've seen and heard. We will see what the numbers are when it's tested. Hoping for good numbers. In my world of modding cars, it'll be interesting to see if the new GCSRT can catch us WK1 guys. My money is on us though.
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Re: 5150 Curb Weight....Ugh!!!

I suppose if you were really upset about the weight gain you could always buy one and strip it down...
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Re: 5150 Curb Weight....Ugh!!!

I strip mine down already. Only loses 250lbs. It's the overall size change that adds the weight.
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I strip mine down already. Only loses 250lbs. It's the overall size change that adds the weight.
Ohh I think you're oversimplifying things there......
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Ohh I think you're oversimplifying things there......
haha, I bet that 6.4 weighs a little bit more than the old motor, and Im sure the chassis is a bit heavier. They said increased rigidity, Im guessing better and more welds , assuming there is also some extra metal playing into that whole equation I would agree with Harry though, its generally larger so that does equate to more weight. If I recall from my old high-school physics class weight is mass x gravity which is constant so the increasing factor here will have to be mass.

Either way, I think the few added pounds will be unnoticeable thanks to the + in power and the improvement in the curve
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IMHO the new SRT8 will be better in every aspect than the old SRT8 unless the only metric you care about is traveling 1/4 or 1/8 mile at a time.

I can think of nothing about the new one that the old one did better but that's probably because I could care less what it's 1/4 mile time is.
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IMHO the new SRT8 will be better in every aspect than the old SRT8 unless the only metric you care about is traveling 1/4 or 1/8 mile at a time.

I can think of nothing about the new one that the old one did better but that's probably because I could care less what it's 1/4 mile time is.
I agree. And this is what it REALLY comes down to. When a car mfg like JEEP goes out and makes a second gen of a successful platform, they're thinking, how can we IMPROVE on the big flaws. They base this on a lot of FEEDBACK, mostly from forums and things like this, take jeepgarage for instance. Thats half the reasons these forums are around Id bet nowadays anyway, makes mfg R&D department guys jobs A LOT easier in that research aspect.

So with that, the Jeeps MAIN complaints were the interior (besides nice seats) and the towing or lack there of. You'd be surprised how many owners custom rigged or bought aftermarket tow kits because its still a JEEP no matter what. It needs to tow and thats an indisputable fact no matter what sector its in. If it cant tow that will limit sales and thats a fact! So as a business move they made it tow. The opportunity cost was the cool "looking" exhaust but thats what it was, a look. Towing is a functional thing so that is immediately > the looks of it. So from an exhaust loves standpoint, the Jeeps sucks but from a lot of owners/feedback standpoint, the towing is well worth the tradeoff, only time will tell though.

So again, it comes back to business, they have to make a car/truck/suv that suits THEIR MARKET to the best ability while maintaing improvements over the last gen. That may mean small changes it may mean an overhaul, in this case it was more of an overhaul while keeping some core aspects the same. Like performance needs to remain #1 and it does with the given power graph. Also needs to have the comforts everyone wanted inside/out, got that. The last big thing I think was the technology change. The old Jeep was on pa but towards the end of its run, 09-10 it was WAY OUTDATED as far as technology features went. To some it not important to some it is, but a car needs to remain with the times to be successful, another business fact an auto mfg cannot deny. So now were up to date with some room to breath imo.

In general though everything was improved the only two small gripes I have are the wheels, the rear fascia, and the exhaust bothers me. BUT that said, those small things that WILL NOT stop me from buying a completely refined beast of a Jeep. If it would then I was never that interested in the first place. The guys who like it and have the means will buy it, flawed or not. Thats what "modding is for" Where do people thing it came from? Ohh I like this car honey, with some small changes it could be really nice, maybe Ill do this or this. I dont know any car that couldn't be modded, do you? Some look better than others out of the gate but still, something can ALWAYS be improved! If they were going to buy it originally they will now, I dont think anyone was really swayed by anything when it came out because looks or not, the main flaws were addressed, its is up to date with the market/times, and overall it lost nothing but a rear center exhaust. Not to mention the 50 page features list I can go on and one but you get the idea haha. Its a way better truck and that = good. Ill take one, pending the price is right

Once the truck is OFFICIALLY TESTED, we can talk times and #'s at the track. I know plenty well its good enough for me on the street, anything 450hp+ or more on the street is huge! But for now, everyone comments are bs and hold no weight. Dyno #s are spot on so far. If its slower its slower, but as Ive explained above, if that SMALL flaw is enough to stop you from buying, you were never getting it in the first place . . . OR, you're an idiot
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