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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

It just appears to me that US folk (not all but many) only see the park brake as something to use in an emergency rather than something that should be used every single time they drive the vehicle. And then of course, when it all turns to cactus, the manufacturer is somehow at fault. It's wrong.

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Old 06-20-2016, 06:37 AM
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

I know this reply is not representative of all but growing up in Chicago where the land is very flat for miles & miles most people I know drive automatics & never use the E-Brake. There is simply no need. I could be wrong since its been many years butI think in my Drivers Ed Class ( class taken before getting first license) I only remember being taught to use it on hills.

People can argue all they want but human nature is what it is, if you do not design a product to be intuitive at some point something will go wrong. This happens all the time and its always balance of what is acceptable.


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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

It is always wise to use both gear lock (park gear) and park brake. This did not occur in my previous car (manual gearbox) when someone borrowed it. They left it in neutral with the park brake only lightly applied. The car uses the rear disc pads (rather than seperate internal drum handbrake) for the park brake. After some time the disc brakes cooled and the car began then to roll away. Luckily it only rolled in a straight line a short distance. The neighbor came over to ask whose car was in front of her drivway.
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

It was a 2015

Anton Yelchin was killed by his own vehicle, police say - CBS News
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

By the way. I'm not saying FCA is at fault. If the dude had a driveway with a big incline, he should have thrown his parking brake on (though in N, that might not have helped).

BUT, there are going to be so many "FCA RECALLED THIS VEHICLE" articles, that it's bad news for Chrysler.
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

I always use my emergency/parking brake and I live in the midwest. Back in the day when cars weighed close to 3 ton's, having the entire weight of the car being supported by a small, cheap metal parking pawl inside the tranny is not a very smart idea.

As for the shifter issue, I find this action not intuitive: Driving the wife's GC, I pulled back to get it into sport mod. Now my motor skills and feeble brain thinks that if I choose to return to the previous setting, that a should put the shifter back to it's previous location...1) stationary 2) drop down for sport mode 3) push back up for previous state...nope..on the GC that puts me in Neutral...need to pull back again. This is not my Daily Driver so I am still learning the ropes on this. I love the GC, but this shifter is not a favorite of mine
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

I have a hunch that a private surveillance camera will have filmed this tragic event and will answer all of our questions. Looking at the provided news photo, it appears that the driveway is slanted towards the house/garage. The news account indicated that the vehicle was in neutral, that would mean the vehicle was running at the time, since you can not shutoff the engine when in neutral. It will be interesting to see what the outcome of the investigation.
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...and if a dealer sold this to him after 4/27/16 during the active NHTSA Stop Sale order....yikes for the dealer and FCA....
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

its generational.
boomers or anyone that had driven a stick knows about parking brakes.

its something less than 5% of sales now and shrinking.

I would bet you take a drivers test today without ever using the P brake.

And I know its also a E Brake.........I had a 66 Coupe De Ville in 1977 driving to school and pedal went to floor. that car had a auto unlock of parking brake when car was in drive, so I was able to actually PUMP the e/p brake and get myself slowed down enough to hit the shoulder and there was a big hedge I used to come to a stop without any injury and little to no damage. if you have the locking handle you need to keep that button engaged and pump the handle.
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Spoke to my service adviser in regards to this open recall. 3 hours he says to properly download/upload new software. Anyways taking it in tomorrow. I've never had an issue with this but can see how others can get confused with the shifter. Especially if they are in a rush.


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Spoke to my service adviser in regards to this open recall. 3 hours he says to properly download/upload new software. Anyways taking it in tomorrow. I've never had an issue with this but can see how others can get confused with the shifter. Especially if they are in a rush.

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Agree i dont generally have an issue with the shifter other then it being ackward in a panic situation but i acknowledge the incidence of people generally having issues with this shifter style is higher for whatever reason.

So he did validate the software is in the system and ready for load correct?
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My question is - Why is the Park Brake considered an Emergency brake (e-brake) and where did this concept come from?

How did a 'Park Brake' become an 'E (emergency) Brake' in the US? What even is an E-brake?
I would guess its a hold over from earlier days where one of its purposes was to be a fail safe when primary brakes failed? Just guessing.

Growing up, e-brake was in the common vernacular from "e-brake turns". "E-break turn" I suppose sounds more impressive than a "wicked parking break turn!!".

Most of my life I've driven manual transmissions with a hand parking brake. I still have the old habits and if its a stick with a hand lever parking break I tend to call it an e-brake, if its an auto and I have to step on it, I tend to call it a parking brake. Pot-ay-to pot-ah-to.
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