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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

This Jeep has an electronic shifter so the consumer doesn’t physically put the car in park. They move the shifter to “P” which sends a command to the computer to put the car in park. On occasion, the car isn’t reciprocating. It’s a programming issue.

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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

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This Jeep has an electronic shifter so the consumer doesn’t physically put the car in park. They move the shifter to “P” which sends a command to the computer to put the car in park. On occasion, the car isn’t reciprocating. It’s a programming issue.

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Since the GC ZF (FCA) shifter debate (ZF because they designed it), emerged a number of months ago and with all that went with that, I've always wanted to ask this question from the US members of this site and Milous with his post just now, has just made me want to ask it even more. (I may offend some members because it goes to the heart of how you learnt to drive).

My question is - Why is the Park Brake considered an Emergency brake (e-brake) and where did this concept come from?

How did a 'Park Brake' become an 'E (emergency) Brake' in the US? What even is an E-brake?

There is nowhere in any vehicle operators manual that I have owned, be that Holden, Subaru, Ford, Mazda or Jeep (both Austrian and US built), that the park brake is referred to as an Emergency Brake.

It is the Park Brake.

When you start going for your drivers licence in New Zealand or Australia, the Park Brake and what it is used for is hammered into you from the get-go. It is a natural reaction to probably 99.9% of all drivers down-under to apply the park brake when the vehicle is stopped and placed in P.

It is reiterated throughout all manufacturers operators manuals.

How did owners of vehicles driving in the US change this concept and more to point why? And Milous, I'm not having a go at you, but your very reference to it being an e-brake, tells me that the problem is well entrenched.

Putting a vehicle in Park and activating the Park brake is not an emergency situation. It's just what you do. It should never be referred to as an e-brake because it isn't.

It's the Park Brake. It doesn't matter whether you're on the flat or not - put the vehicle into Park and pull it with your hand, push it with your foot, or flick it up with your finger (my KL with it's electronic park brake) but put your park brake on. It's not an emergency - it's just parking.
It's called the lazy/moron American syndrome and it's pretty rampant.

Check out the movie "Idiocracy" from 2006....
It's a good example of where the US is heading.

And yes I am a US citizen and yes I always use my PARK brake everywhere and so does my wife, but we are in the very minority.

I always laugh when I see people put a vehicle in Park on a hill and then let off the brake and watch the vehicle 'bounce' against the parking pawl in the transmission. Probably the primary reason why I don't buy used vehicles any more.
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Smarter, more experienced drivers will do this 100% of the time, no exceptions.
^^^ THIS!
It probably helps that 1 of the 2 vehicles my parents owned when I was learning to drive was a manual transmission and you NEVER relied on the transmission to hold a Ford E250 van full of product/tools on any type of incline and not even on level surfaces.
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It's a programming issue combined with people not using their parking brake. It's one thing if it's my cable television remote..


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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Ill say it again,

If you idiot proof everything, the world will create a better idiot.
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Poor guy, this is a tragedy and because of his actor status, it will be big news for some time. He could fly a USS Enterprise NCC-1701, he just couldn't park a Grand Cherokee.

It is always a good habit to stop, apply park brake, shift briefly to N to make sure the park brake holds, then put it in P. I live in the flat lands south of San Francisco and still do this every time, in my slightly sloped driveway, and everywhere. Build in that muscle memory, for no matter where I am.

I liked this actor, he played a good Pavel Chekov. It is a tragic loss of life.
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Poor guy, this is a tragedy and because of his actor status, it will be big news for some time. He could fly a USS Enterprise NCC-1701, he just couldn't park a Grand Cherokee.

It is always a good habit to stop, apply park brake, shift briefly to N to make sure the park brake holds, then put it in P. I live in the flat lands south of San Francisco and still do this every time, in my slightly sloped driveway, and everywhere. Build in that muscle memory, for no matter where I am.

I liked this actor, he played a good Pavel Chekov. It is a tragic loss of life.
Makes you wonder if electric cars of the future will cause more pedestrian fatalities with how quiet they are in motion.
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Makes you wonder if electric cars of the future will cause more pedestrian fatalities with how quiet they are in motion.
I was reading that one of the electric cars maybe volt i dont remember adds noise because they are too quiet and blind pedestrians depend on car noise to help them navigate theor surroundings
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

So heres what the dealers will be doing: http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/rc_S2716.pdf

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New software must be installed which includes an “Auto Park” feature which eliminates the possibility of the driver inadvertently failing to place the transmission into “PARK” prior to exiting the vehicle.
Sounds like they will force it into park when you open the door. What about other doors? Will it only do it when you are under 1mph? What if Im doing 20mph through the neighborhood and realize my seat belt is stuck in the door and I need to open it real quick? Hopefully someone gets some clarification from the dealer on exactly how it will work

They make it sound like we dont need to shift to park anymore. Just come to a stop and get out...
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

When this shifter came out in the Jeep people says it is the same as Audi, I don't recall Audi have any problem with it.

I saw it on CNN where the Journalist put it into park and it snap right out like a faulty spring popped it out,they should make the gear select simple and easy and reliable not fancy and not reliable where it put your life at risk.

I saw a BMW X5M on you-tube were if the vehicle is in drive or neutral once you press the button and turn off the vehicle it defaulted to Park, no fuss to put it into park and I bet you if this bimmer was park on that same driveway with that same angle it would never roll back,even without the press button parking brake applied.

Constructive criticism is a good thing that will produce better quality automobile for the consumers,consumers should not be test dummies and lab rat for any vehicle by any Automobile Manufacture Company.

Too often automobile company try to cut cost with inferior parts such as water pumps etc where it comprise consumers safety,trying to fulfill cheap demands by some consumers who want cheap automobile,Chrysler need to find the sweet spot where you do the R & D vehicles are tested properly before they hit the market, quality should be at the top of the list,if you have quality you will have safety,instead of cheap affordable price for the vehicle that is not reliable which lead to poor assessment rating when they do the survey for quality for all the automobile.
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Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

You know, it's unfortunate what happened to Mr. Yelchin, however, the real problem is not with the vehicle. The problem is with people running around trying to do too many things at once. When you aren't focused on any one particular task you miss steps. I just recently acquired a '15 JGC SRT and have never found the shifter troublesome or hard to figure out. I don't understand how and why people cannot take the time to make sure that the vehicle is in PARK...its mind boggling. Everyone just needs to slow down and pay more attention to their surroundings and less attention on trying to speed through things to save 3 seconds of time. Aside from that, I have no opinion on the matter...
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