Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral - Page 5 - Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum

Go Back   Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum > Jeep Platform Discussion > Grand Cherokee SRT - WK2

Join Jeep Garage Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
  #49  
Old 06-21-2016, 03:04 PM
El Jefe's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: AZ
Posts: 319
Thanks: 30
Thanked 113 Times in 61 Posts
Rep Power: 15242
El Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond reputeEl Jefe has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

It would make sense that pushing the Start/Stop button would force the car into park. Doesnt completely fix the issue though

__________________
'15 CHARGER HELLCAT
'74 BRONCO
'14 JEEP SRT (sold)
'04 COBRA (sold)
IG: HELLCATBRONCO
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #50  
Old 06-21-2016, 03:07 PM
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2015 6.4L SRT WK2
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: NY
Posts: 90
Thanks: 40
Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts
Rep Power: 804
dmb4040 is on a distinguished road
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

I was going to post this on the other shifter thread, but seeing how quite a few posters jumped to the conclusion that if you mess up using the shifter, even once, you are a complete dolt who doesnít deserve to drive a car like this, I held back.

A few months ago, I was driving my kids (5 and 3 yo) home from daycare/school. It was one of those disaster days where my son is crying and my daughter is moments before she pees herself. I pull into my driveway, which is an upward sloping hill, leave the car running as I figure that Iíll pull into the garage one minute later after I fix the children/bathroom situation. I jump out of the car so that she doesnít have an accident, then quickly get my son. I get everyone inside, no accidents (phew), good to go.

I hop back in the car to pull into the garage, and I realize that I left the car in Drive during the madness that was going on. I start sweating realizing what I just did. Luckily for me, I used the parking brake, plus with the help of hill assist, my car didnít move an inch. I thanked heaven as we walked in front of my car on our way into the house, and we could have been injured.

I lucked out due to my parking brake and hill assist, but it could have been a bad situation. Iíve never made that mistake again, however I can see if you arenít paying attention, something like this isnít impossible.

I know Iím opening myself up for harsh criticism, however I felt that I should tell this story.
__________________
2015 Jeep SRT - Max Steel
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dmb4040 For This Useful Post:
  #51  
Old 06-21-2016, 03:41 PM
Member
My Jeep: 2014 6.4L WK2
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: New York
Posts: 52
Thanks: 64
Thanked 18 Times in 9 Posts
Rep Power: 928
etsakpoe is on a distinguished road
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Jefe View Post
It would make sense that pushing the Start/Stop button would force the car into park. Doesnt completely fix the issue though
It would make sense but I also like the fact that the car alerts you that you are not in the right shift position to turn off the engine.
Right now we can speculate what may have happened in this unfortunate circumstance but at the end of the day, we all need to stop taking for granted good driving practices. Using the parking brake is a must. Making sure the shift lever is in park when parked is a must and turning off the engine when you have to step away is an absolute must. Regardless of vehicle innovations or shifter design, as responsible drivers, we need to use this as a cautionary tale to be more careful.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 06-21-2016, 06:54 PM
echo7tango's Avatar
Premium Member
My Jeep: 2016 3.0L WK2
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: SF Giants Nation 2010 / 2012 / 2014!
Posts: 857
Thanks: 122
Thanked 171 Times in 122 Posts
Rep Power: 67865
echo7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond reputeecho7tango has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmb4040 View Post
I was going to post this on the other shifter thread, but seeing how quite a few posters jumped to the conclusion that if you mess up using the shifter, even once, you are a complete dolt who doesnít deserve to drive a car like this, I held back.

A few months ago, I was driving my kids (5 and 3 yo) home from daycare/school. It was one of those disaster days where my son is crying and my daughter is moments before she pees herself. I pull into my driveway, which is an upward sloping hill, leave the car running as I figure that Iíll pull into the garage one minute later after I fix the children/bathroom situation. I jump out of the car so that she doesnít have an accident, then quickly get my son. I get everyone inside, no accidents (phew), good to go.

I hop back in the car to pull into the garage, and I realize that I left the car in Drive during the madness that was going on. I start sweating realizing what I just did. Luckily for me, I used the parking brake, plus with the help of hill assist, my car didnít move an inch. I thanked heaven as we walked in front of my car on our way into the house, and we could have been injured.

I lucked out due to my parking brake and hill assist, but it could have been a bad situation. Iíve never made that mistake again, however I can see if you arenít paying attention, something like this isnít impossible.

I know Iím opening myself up for harsh criticism, however I felt that I should tell this story.
I'm glad you and the kids are safe, dmb4040. The design is different, non-standard, and unique. I preferred it in my 2014 and wish it was in my 2016, because it takes up less space. But in 40,000 miles there were a couple of times it wasn't in the intended gear and I had to redo it.

Its design is similar to motorcycle gear shifter design, and riders frequently don't know what gear they're in. Especially newer riders.

dmb4040 you are being honest in your humanity and anyone who harshly criticizes someone for a use error with this shifter does not understand that poor design can contribute to use errors, and good design can minimize or eliminate use errors, and has never been responsible for product design to the extent where poor design contributing to harm or fatality leads to them being prosecuted.
__________________

2016 JGC CRD 3.0L V-6 WK2, QL, QD-II, ORA-II, Wrangler Duratrac 275/55-20
Lemon Law buy-back of my 2014 JGC CRD: http://tinyurl.com/e7t-JGC-CRD-buyBackSummary
SEMPER FIDELIS
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to echo7tango For This Useful Post:
  #53  
Old 06-21-2016, 07:07 PM
firstjeeplast's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2014 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 134
Thanks: 3
Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts
Rep Power: 1127
firstjeeplast is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by echo7tango View Post

I'm glad you and the kids are safe, dmb4040. The design is different, non-standard, and unique. I preferred it in my 2014 and wish it was in my 2016, because it takes up less space. But in 40,000 miles there were a couple of times it wasn't in the intended gear and I had to redo it.

Its design is similar to motorcycle gear shifter design, and riders frequently don't know what gear they're in. Especially newer riders.

dmb4040 you are being honest in your humanity and anyone who harshly criticizes someone for a use error with this shifter does not understand that poor design can contribute to use errors, and good design can minimize or eliminate use errors, and has never been responsible for product design to the extent where poor design contributing to harm or fatality leads to them being prosecuted.
Ever hear of someone say they got into an accident because they hit the gas pedal instead of the brake? I think that happens a decent amount. Try and idiot proof something. I've only heard of one person running themselves over with their jeep so far and it's a tragedy. But you cannot possibly stop people from being human. I actually think BMW shifters are quite similar to the Jeep. They do have the button to push for park but obviously you have to make sure you hear/feel that click.
__________________
Injen CAI, Fastman ported 85mm TB, Kooks full exhaust, Jet 180 Tstat
0-60 best 4.0 sec
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 06-21-2016, 08:00 PM
Benn0's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 2,062
Thanks: 100
Thanked 326 Times in 255 Posts
Rep Power: 18665
Benn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond repute
Garage
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd3.6 View Post
^^^ THIS!
It probably helps that 1 of the 2 vehicles my parents owned when I was learning to drive was a manual transmission and you NEVER relied on the transmission to hold a Ford E250 van full of product/tools on any type of incline and not even on level surfaces.
This is a good point, here in Australia manual cars were still popular up until recently, and most of us learnt to drive in a manual so that you could get the full manual/auto license. Parking one of those I would normally use the park brake, put it in gear and engine off. That is what we were all taught. Same in the auto, park brake, transmission in park and engine off.

I haven't heard of any accidents in Oz, no one complains about the shifter on the local forums, other than it can take a bit of getting used to.
__________________
MY14 Grand Cherokee LTD CRD - ORA2 & QL | Mopar 18" Night Fever Rims & Rock Rails | Chief Recovery Hooks & Sump Skid Plate | STMaxx 275/65R18
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 06-21-2016, 08:06 PM
Benn0's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 2,062
Thanks: 100
Thanked 326 Times in 255 Posts
Rep Power: 18665
Benn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond reputeBenn0 has a reputation beyond repute
Garage
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bg15 View Post
This Jeep has an electronic shifter so the consumer doesnít physically put the car in park. They move the shifter to ďPĒ which sends a command to the computer to put the car in park. On occasion, the car isnít reciprocating. Itís a programming issue.
Aren't all shifters electronic these days? I haven't seen a problem where the car refuses to go into P, the only time I have seen the problem is when you push forward on the shifter but it doesn't go into P, and I think that is because in my haste my thumb has slipped off the button. Normally you would notice because traditional shifters hold their physical position in Park, but this shifter springs back to center after any change, so it isn't as obvious that the shifter didn't make it to the desired position. Basically it requires more attention than a traditional shifter, so I guess you can argue a design that requires a driver to do something different is flawed, or the driver can take responsibility for having purchased an item that requires different behaviour and act accordingly.
__________________
MY14 Grand Cherokee LTD CRD - ORA2 & QL | Mopar 18" Night Fever Rims & Rock Rails | Chief Recovery Hooks & Sump Skid Plate | STMaxx 275/65R18
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 06-21-2016, 08:17 PM
Yadkin's Avatar
Senior Member
My Jeep: 2012 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Yadkin Valley, NC
Posts: 1,324
Thanks: 3
Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts
Rep Power: 203194
Yadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmb4040 View Post
I was going to post this on the other shifter thread, but seeing how quite a few posters jumped to the conclusion that if you mess up using the shifter, even once, you are a complete dolt who doesnít deserve to drive a car like this, I held back.

A few months ago, I was driving my kids (5 and 3 yo) home from daycare/school. It was one of those disaster days where my son is crying and my daughter is moments before she pees herself. I pull into my driveway, which is an upward sloping hill, leave the car running as I figure that Iíll pull into the garage one minute later after I fix the children/bathroom situation. I jump out of the car so that she doesnít have an accident, then quickly get my son. I get everyone inside, no accidents (phew), good to go.

I hop back in the car to pull into the garage, and I realize that I left the car in Drive during the madness that was going on. I start sweating realizing what I just did. Luckily for me, I used the parking brake, plus with the help of hill assist, my car didnít move an inch. I thanked heaven as we walked in front of my car on our way into the house, and we could have been injured.

I lucked out due to my parking brake and hill assist, but it could have been a bad situation. Iíve never made that mistake again, however I can see if you arenít paying attention, something like this isnít impossible.

I know Iím opening myself up for harsh criticism, however I felt that I should tell this story.
Been there. Like you, however, I always use the parking brake. So that ltlle habit of mine has saved my ass more than once.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Yadkin For This Useful Post:
  #57  
Old 06-21-2016, 08:20 PM
Yadkin's Avatar
Senior Member
My Jeep: 2012 3.6L WK2
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Yadkin Valley, NC
Posts: 1,324
Thanks: 3
Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts
Rep Power: 203194
Yadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond reputeYadkin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

My wife just admitted an elderly patient who was injured when her husband got out of their Jeep GC to get the mail. The woman had had a stroke recently and was strapped into her seat unable to move. He left it in drive by mistake and the Misses went on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, down the road and through the woods...
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 06-21-2016, 08:26 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 209
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 2626
tony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond reputetony4311 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

I think anybody saying the shifter isn't a bad design is just blindly defending their vehicle as if saying something is wrong with it is someone making it less valuable. It's a crappy design, simple as that. I've never not put it into park when I tried. However I've put it into a gear before that wasn't what I thought it was. It's why they got rid of it so fast, it's bad.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 06-21-2016, 11:36 PM
Nitemare3219's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 256
Thanks: 1
Thanked 42 Times in 33 Posts
Rep Power: 588
Nitemare3219 is on a distinguished road
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

Quote:
Originally Posted by silvermax04 View Post
I was reading that one of the electric cars maybe volt i dont remember adds noise because they are too quiet and blind pedestrians depend on car noise to help them navigate theor surroundings
Seems unnecessary. Electric cars absolutely make noise - road noise from the tires. That is the majority of noise you hear from an oncoming vehicle, especially at a distance - think of a highway. You can hear it a LONG ways away at night - you aren't hearing car engines, you're hearing the road noise from tires. Maybe at VERY low speeds you might not notice an electric vehicle...

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmb4040 View Post
I know Iím opening myself up for harsh criticism, however I felt that I should tell this story.
Not really man. Glad you and the family ended up not having a bad situation unfold. The shifter is just a bad design.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony4311 View Post
I think anybody saying the shifter isn't a bad design is just blindly defending their vehicle as if saying something is wrong with it is someone making it less valuable. It's a crappy design, simple as that. I've never not put it into park when I tried. However I've put it into a gear before that wasn't what I thought it was. It's why they got rid of it so fast, it's bad.
Yep, I've been saying this for months as well and some people get particularly defensive and want to start name-calling and strongly defending the design. It's a shit design. There should be zero question as to what gear you are in when operating a vehicle, especially a 2+ ton vehicle. More times than not I have made a mistake when shifting due to being in a HURRY more than anything else. This has frequently happened to me placing the car from drive to reverse (I ALWAYS back into parking spots). What typically happens thereafter is me sitting there having to figure out what gear I am in, and if I am still holding the shifter and it is halfway between actuation points, how much softly to push the lever so I don't end up in park instead of reverse. Then compound this by the fact that if you are in neutral, you have to have your foot on the brake to shift gears! What the ****! Again, this is a terrible design especially for a panic situation.

Trying to quickly shift gears with this shifter is a disaster. The actuation points are extremely narrow and require too much precision - this is a bad situation waiting to happen for someone not paying attention, someone in a hurry, someone who is fatigued, and the list goes on. People are human and make mistakes, often at that. I don't despise this shifter, but every day I drive my GC I wish it had the newer design that stays in place with gears like my 2015 SRT Charger had.
__________________
aFe Machforce XP | aFe long tube headers | aFe Momentum GT | MM 87mm TB | Custom tune | Dimpled/slotted black zinc rotors | PowerStop Z23 | Carbon fiber front splitter
Complete LED conversion | SRT LED fog light retrofit | D3S Philips Ultinon | Llumar CTX 15% | Chrome blackout (Vapor trim + 3M 1080 Scotch-Brite wraps) | Toyo Proxes ST II
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 06-21-2016, 11:53 PM
Heep's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2014 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 780
Thanks: 1,036
Thanked 193 Times in 143 Posts
Rep Power: 16001
Heep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond reputeHeep has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Actor Anton Yelchin killed by Grand Cherokee in Neutral

FYI, hill assist only holds for a few seconds...
__________________
Using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Heep For This Useful Post:
Reply

Tags
grand cherokee

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
07 Jeep Grand Cherokee wont shift past neutral squid Troubleshooting/Problems Discussion 4 06-20-2016 11:32 AM
**SL63 AMG Killed by 440 Jeep** junior666@TTCreations Members Rides 20 08-11-2009 02:11 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 - JeepGarage.Org
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Community

JeepGarage.org is in no way associated with or endorsed by FCA US LLC. Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Mopar and SRT are registered trademarks of FCA US LLC.