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$48k if that is what it would be, is still a lot of money.
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$48k if that is what it would be, is still a lot of money.
Compared to what? X5? Range Rover SuperCharged Sport?
Hell, A mustang GT cost 40K!
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Re: Affiliate pricing

Compared to a new 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland. And really a steep price compared to my WK that's already paid for and looks and accelarates plenty good for the streets I drive and it's already paid for.

Also, I would never even consider a Mustang, yuck.
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Re: Affiliate pricing

JGC....
Compared to an Overland fully loaded?
Hmmm:
http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...90681&address=

48K is not a lot more by any stretch of the imagination. But your WK...Come on. We're not comparing used are you?
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This is sweet!
So...Dealer invoice has to be around 48K with all the options.
That's a lot of truck for under 50K!
as stated, it's factory, not dealer.
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JGC....
Compared to an Overland fully loaded?
Hmmm:
http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/dd...90681&address=

48K is not a lot more by any stretch of the imagination. But your WK...Come on. We're not comparing used are you?
Kind of for me. I have 57k miles, new car looking leather and carpets and new car shining paint. Zero scratches or door dings and it's fun to drive.

$42,000 sales prices for loaded Overlands is a decent price difference than $48,000. Don't get me wrong, as I currently feel about the SRT8 I will find a way. Just hoping I can get a loaded WK2 SRT 8 for closer to $46,000 with affiliate pricing. I know it's only a couple of thousand dollars, but I happen to think that's significant when you're stretching your dollars to purchase a new vehicle like this.
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as stated, it's factory, not dealer.
What's the difference? Is one lower than the other?
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Kind of for me. I have 57k miles, new car looking leather and carpets and new car shining paint. Zero scratches or door dings and it's fun to drive.

$42,000 sales prices for loaded Overlands is a decent price difference than $48,000. Don't get me wrong, as I currently feel about the SRT8 I will find a way. Just hoping I can get a loaded WK2 SRT 8 for closer to $46,000 with affiliate pricing. I know it's only a couple of thousand dollars, but I happen to think that's significant when you're stretching your dollars to purchase a new vehicle like this.
If you have to "stretch" to buy a $40k+ vehicle...........then one should not be buying a $40k+ vehicle, they should be buying a $25k vehicle.

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What's the difference? Is one lower than the other?
"Invoice" that everyone throws around is not truly the invoice a dealer pays. I am more familiar with GM as my dad is a 31yr retiree and my brother-in-law a former sales manager for many years, but I believe those dealers payed approximately 2.5%-ish under "invoice." GMS discount was generally 3.5%-ish under "invoice."
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"Invoice" that everyone throws around is not truly the invoice a dealer pays. I am more familiar with GM as my dad is a 31yr retiree and my brother-in-law a former sales manager for many years, but I believe those dealers payed approximately 2.5%-ish under "invoice." GMS discount was generally 3.5%-ish under "invoice."
So are you saying the factory invoice is generally a lower price than the dealer invoice price, thus getting a better deal with the Affilliate discount applied from factory invoice pricing?
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If you have to "stretch" to buy a $40k+ vehicle...........then one should not be buying a $40k+ vehicle, they should be buying a $25k vehicle.
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"Invoice" that everyone throws around is not truly the invoice a dealer pays. I am more familiar with GM as my dad is a 31yr retiree and my brother-in-law a former sales manager for many years, but I believe those dealers payed approximately 2.5%-ish under "invoice." GMS discount was generally 3.5%-ish under "invoice."
Invoice is the "official" price the dealer pays the manufacturer for the vehicle and is what's charged back on their floorplan. Their actual purchase price is different once you calculate holdback, advertising coop and any factory to dealer incentives. Vehicles sold under the employee purchase programs are sold minus these additional discounts so the dealer only get's a "commission" on the sale. Vehicles sold under supplier/affiliate/friends and family pricing are typically discounted down to the invoice minus the advertising coop but the dealer gets to keep the holdback. Dealers are paid a stipend to complete these sales, to make them "whole" so they get to make the entire difference between original invoice and their eventual "net" purchase price since any incentives are also transferred over to the buyer under these programs.

Chrysler's discount programs are more in the line of 1% and 2.5%, a bit lower than the traditional GM and Ford programs but they usually net out to the dealer about the same profit.

There. clear as mud, isn't it
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So are you saying the factory invoice is generally a lower price than the dealer invoice price, thus getting a better deal with the Affilliate discount applied from factory invoice pricing?
No, other way around. Basically, the invoice you read all over the place is "factory" invoice. Unless you work for the dealer (or have a friend there), you won't ever see "dealer" invoice. If a dealer says they are showing you it, then they are probably lying. This is why buying at "invoice" occurs all of the time, but dealers play it off like they are helping you out so much. They make the difference between the dealer invoice and factory invoice, plus are reimbursed incentives that were deducted. If there is any holdback left on the vehicle they make that as profit as well. Plus, they'll make money off of your trade in in some form or fashion, whether it be at auction or on their used lot.

I always understand the dealers need to make some money when I go to make a deal. However, when they start to pull out the crying card about how much they are giving up I drop the knowledge on them. I'm sure things are changing for this rough calculation in today's climate, but I don't believe it is too far off.
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Invoice is the "official" price the dealer pays the manufacturer for the vehicle and is what's charged back on their floorplan. Their actual purchase price is different once you calculate holdback, advertising coop and any factory to dealer incentives. Vehicles sold under the employee purchase programs are sold minus these additional discounts so the dealer only get's a "commission" on the sale. Vehicles sold under supplier/affiliate/friends and family pricing are typically discounted down to the invoice minus the advertising coop but the dealer gets to keep the holdback. Dealers are paid a stipend to complete these sales, to make them "whole" so they get to make the entire difference between original invoice and their eventual "net" purchase price since any incentives are also transferred over to the buyer under these programs.

Chrysler's discount programs are more in the line of 1% and 2.5%, a bit lower than the traditional GM and Ford programs but they usually net out to the dealer about the same profit.

There. clear as mud, isn't it
Good info, seems that financially it's what I knew, but the technical jargon on hard copy to get you to that point is different.

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