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Calling out Livernois,Demon & Ripps SC kit details

Hi guys ,

Since you 3 are the only 3 offering a Blower/ supercharger kit, there are some things we all need to know to help us find the right blower for our own application.

Not everyone wants the fastest , some just want an extra kick without doing more and others want a kit that they can add onto down the track.

The most common thing the forum whats to know is the tuning.

Could you guys chime in and explain what we actually get.

Is it just one base tune all modes
or is it made like the factory system in respects to modes ?
so a base tune for auto mode , a better one for Sports and then a full blown one for track mode ?

does MDS still work for fuel economy ?

Ripps are the only Shop thus far to load up videos and numbers on there kit , how far off are livernois and demon

Can ripps go into detail about the kit being maxed out already ?

If so are you guys looking at new blowers or different kits for customers wanting room to move?
Are you guys looking at fixing the BOV issue for the Australian market which is growing all the time ?
its law for our bov to be plumbed back or we get a defect notice and can drive our car.
2012-2014 6.4 SRT JEEP Cherokee Supercharger €” RIPP Superchargers is your kit , im not complaining but why would you have this on sale when its brand new ?
what program are you guys using for tuning ?



Demon,
your kit reads really good and looks good from jims rig, are you guys going to add some video of new cars just completed doing a dyno run and the number?
Does your kit offer a plumbed back BOV for the Australian market as well?
have you guys cracked the tuning issue that has plagued us getting great tunes from you now ?
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your using Diablo for tunes.


livernois,
Your kit i cant find on your site only links to the whipple site, they use SCT for the tuning but you guys use your advanced MYCAL to tune .
From what i was told today you guys are at THE final stage of testing basically crossing you T'S and dotting the i's as they say.
with the black one your doing final testing on are you guys going to be adding video and dyno readings ?

will your kit be as easy as the procharger kit to install ?
is it a kit that can be installed at home as well ?
Is this a similar kit your offering ?
News :: Whipple releases 12-14 Jeep Cherokee SRT 6.4L Supercharger kit! - Whipple Superchargers
are you guys offering the kit in the colors as well ?

I hope all 3 vendors respond , this isnt a comp on who has the best, just a REAL update for us all to make it easier to select the right kit for us personally, since i actually am having trouble make a decision. and since its not like i can drop it back for a refund some more info and videos does help us the forum customers make a decision.

So thanks very much if you can pop on in and inform us all

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Ripp is not a vendor here, so I doubt they will respond...
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Ripp is not a vendor here, so I doubt they will respond...
AHHH ok ill edit that then , sorry
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What program are you guys using for tuning ?

  • We are authorized third part tuners for Diablo. Diablo and RIPP cooperate and feed info for new vehicles. The Diablo tool we choose is an Intune and is preprogrammed with our calibration and if needed Logging pids that we would require if the end user should need to supply RIPP with info for a tune clean up.

Is it just one base tune all modes or is it made like the factory system in respects to modes so a base tune for auto mode , a better one for Sports and then a full blown one for track mode ?

  • Its a full calibration, whatever mod you select our tune follows. We've tested in all modes and our tune keeps fueling and timing in check as you select the more aggressive settings/fllip the dial. This also includes turning on the ECON button for max MPG.
  • It is and should be one tune fits all vehicles and the on-board adaptive ECU corrects for driving style, climate, altitude and fuel integrity. We do not provide additional tunes for various race conditions. Those are your conditions and you can have those tunes built for the variables outside of RIPP provided general tuning. We do support the major headers out there, but like anything else its a general setting and therefore will be as close to optimal in a general sense, not fine tuned.
  • Of all our competitors RIPP is the only one that holds a CARB EO number for its Jeep Wrangler program from the state of California. That means we know how to write properly scaled calibration for Chrysler vehicles and not just "tunes" for individual cars. We add that our Wrangler Kit passed emissions at 8psi and not at 4psi like our competitor that promised one thing and delivered a weak and mushy other thing when they finally launched.
  • Furthermore, our calibrations, before officially hitting the market, have been tested nearly world-wide. In our pre-production sale we selected sales of kits in given regions and worked with our client in those regions for testing. Dubai, Australia, Colorado, Socal, Florida, Texas, NY and Germany. We noted the vehicles and their mod list and retrieved running logs under different conditions to make sure our provided Full Calibration is a World-Product like our Wrangler kit is. Our clients can expect to install our system as a whole and not worry about engine/tune/drive integrity. They can trust the info we put out on supporting mods is real-world and we do not side with vendors and other part manufactures just for the sake of the sale. We have seen many combination and do have an opinion about the data we have retrieved, but will not bring this public until we have an opportunity to present the data to the given manufactures.
Does MDS still work for fuel economy ?

  • We elected to turn it of and still managed to gain 1-4MPG with our system in place. This will segway into your question about blower size and power levels.

Ripps are the only Vendor thus far to load up videos and numbers on there kit.

  • RIPP Superchargers has been in the high performance business under one name in one place for 20 years. For the last 14 years we have been supercharger system manufactures for various vehicles. We are a five man crew and design, engineer, prototype, assemble and ship in our humble 3000sq/ft. facility in NYC. We work hard for our brand and stand behind our products. As speed shop owners we know what motivates sales and on going business, our objective is to sell supercharger kits not engines. If you look at the current competitors they are Speed shops with a full array of supporting parts and wrench to sell.
  • We are a supercharger kit manufacture, our shop is a test lab, we own our own test vehicles. We drive what we sell and we sell what we drive. This is a $8000 product, it should be presented and respected as such and therefore total transparency is our goal. If we say it, that's how it is.

Can RIPP go into detail about the kit being maxed out already ?


  • Our approach to these systems is a little different than our advertising competitors. We actually have a minimalist approach when it comes to our systems. This approach is welcomed by both shops and hands-on enthusiasts. Our systems install much easier than any of our competitors, always perform within the parameters of the vehicle and never over power the OEM components. The vehicle never feels like it is working outside of its power handling capabilities, in fact it feels seamless. Our systems are minimally invasive, with no cutting, minor drilling, no wire splicing or AC modifications needed. Install time has proven to be a real world 6-8 hours. The kits come complete with many extras not included with competitors kits and all designed to work together.
  • Lastly, we have earned and have been labeled Certified Third Party Engineering by Vortech Superchargers. This means we work hand in hand with-Vortech-with new systems, sharing technical and market information as we progress through the given power plant. The Grand Cherokee system represents the cooperation RIPP and Vortech share in both engineering and market place. Vortech has commissioned RIPP in charge of the SRT Jeep line and we couldn't be more honored.The 2011-2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6, 5.7 and SRT we are introducing are actually the Vortech kits going forward. We will not be competing with a Vortech SRT kit or another third party vendor. As a brand we have a very extensive Dealer Network with a strong reach (worldwide).
  • The Vortech V3 is the smallest compressor of the competitors, but its seems to be laying down consistent numbers. We are not advertising 10psi or 700hp, correct? We are advertising a 180AWD-HP gain to a stock engine stock cat'd vehicle. We are not saying you NEED additional mods to run our system. We are saying for those of you that want a 530AWD-HP car which is a 680Crank HP vehicle, the current RIPP kit is your kit. Of the compressors available to you the V3 is the most efficient and easiest to turn at the crank. Lastly and most importantly as the smallest, it's the safest, it can never over boost of over deliver air to the engine.
  • Power and reliability are two very different things when you separate them - But we like to keep them together. Firstly, we only quote real-world HP numbers. These numbers are the HP levels we can expect all our end user clients to achieve (-/+). When we quote HP it's at the rear wheels and not at the crank like the manufacturer does. The SRT 470HP rated at the crank turns out to be 340-370 at all for wheels (AWD-WHP). So to be clear, all SRT's are putting down just over 350awd on average. Secondly when we say reliability, we mean under all conditions, including the transmission. We are comfortable saying that the trans temps and fluids look to be fine based on our testing and throughout the extensive feedback we have received from real-world end users.
  • Our in house 2014 SRT Produced 378AWD-whp with 170 miles on the odometer.
  • 509AWD-whp At 4psi
  • 530AWD-rwhp at 5psi
  • 551-569AWD-rwhp at5-7psi same pulley just added tuning aggression. With the stock pistons this is a danager zone. The blower is not the limiting factor, the pistons are. If we add a set of forged pistons we likely can add some timing and achieve higher whp within reason.
  • Our clients have been reporting anywhere from 490-560AWD-WHP in various combination - but the average has bee 530AWD-HP world wide. Hot ambient temps do effect the power output and will make a little less (as expected).

If so are you guys looking at new blowers or different kits for customers wanting room to move?

  • This topic is not one we are ready to go into. But again, we bring to your attention that we have made MORE with Less. Its safe to say that if we jump up into the complexity of larger compressors/WHP think of whats really needed. A 1400 to 2900cfm compressor is very powerful and requires much more crank HP to turn. Not to mention piping and supporting items. A simply glance at the competitors option list will yield a mind spinning list of supporting items.
  • Headers
  • Pistons
  • Head studs
  • Gaskets
  • Fuel pumps
  • Fuel pump boosters
  • Fuel pump regulators
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  • Full custom tuning
  • To that end, we are gauging the client and their real needs. So far we've proven 551-569AWD-HP at 6spi with a drop more timing that provided in the canned tune stock manifolds. We have a few combos we can put together that can yield 600whp (or very close to it) with the V3 but given the monitored EGT's we have backed off until we get a test subject or decide to add pistons to our own in house test vehicle.
Are you guys looking at fixing the BOV issue for the Australian market which is growing all the time its law for our bov to be plumbed back or we get a defect notice and can drive our car?
  • We don't call it an issue, we already see the resolve.
  • Yes, we can choose to send the standard option Vortech valve to Australia and figure a re-plumb out if necessary.

2012-2014 6.4 SRT JEEP Cherokee Supercharger €” RIPP Superchargers is your kit , im not complaining but why would you have this on sale when its brand new ?
  • This is an odd question, but we get your perspective. You're wondering why we would you put a hot product hot on sale. This is simple. We launch and set the price at $7299.95 which we think is a properly priced kit for the market. As our Wholesale distributors gauge sales and earn position in sales we can flick our sales price off and leave our distributors the sale price, making them more valuable to purchase from from a retail perspective.
  • Secondly, we like to control the price of our sales, therefore we fly the sale price and not the retail price so as to set the bar and set the rules.Please keep in mind we have earned a very strong Whole Sale distributor network to the likes or Summit Racing and 4 Wheel parts, who proudly carry our brand nationally and have just recently featured a RIPP vehicle on the cover of their catalog.
We hope this brings clarity to our technical ability and support as a vendor.

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Re: Calling out Livernois,Demon & Ripps SC kit details

Thanks very much ripptech for a very informative and professional reply.

So out of that if we had kooks headers,gthaus with green cats you guys could do a tune for that to be sent with a kit?

I personally dont fell as though this is resolved when you say send the standard valve and figure a re-plumb out if necessary. This is an issue as it is necessary for us and when you say you had testing here in aus , was that test vehicle running with or without this ?
Are you guys looking at fixing the BOV issue for the Australian market which is growing all the time its law for our bov to be plumbed back or we get a defect notice and can drive our car?
  • We don't call it an issue, we already see the resolve.
  • Yes, we can choose to send the standard option Vortech valve to Australia and figure a re-plumb out if necessary.
thanks again for a good read
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its ok guys...just drop it. Back to supercharger discussion please. We are in discussion to add RIPP and Livernois.....demon is NOT on the table
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Thanks very much ripptech for a very informative and professional reply.

So out of that if we had kooks headers,gthaus with green cats you guys could do a tune for that to be sent with a kit?

I personally dont fell as though this is resolved when you say send the standard valve and figure a re-plumb out if necessary. This is an issue as it is necessary for us and when you say you had testing here in aus , was that test vehicle running with or without this ?
Are you guys looking at fixing the BOV issue for the Australian market which is growing all the time its law for our bov to be plumbed back or we get a defect notice and can drive our car?
  • We don't call it an issue, we already see the resolve.
  • Yes, we can choose to send the standard option Vortech valve to Australia and figure a re-plumb out if necessary.
thanks again for a good read
No problem, we're sorry for the length, but in our opinion this is simple information that a one on one conversation would bring to the table. As consumers, its fair to say you should know as much about the given item in question as possible to make an educated purchase. Not just HP.

  • Yes, we've tuned Exhaust and the Headers already and have that in our tune catalog for client support.
  • We understand your position on the BOV recirc, we could make it a Blow Off Valve Silencer kit as an option for clients in your position and you can just add it to cart when purchasing.

Your thoughts?

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No problem, we're sorry for the length, but in our opinion this is simple information that a one on one conversation would bring to the table. As consumers, its fair to say you should know as much about the given item in question as possible to make an educated purchase. Not just HP.

  • Yes, we've tuned Exhaust and the Headers already and have that in our tune catalog for client support.
  • We understand your position on the BOV recirc, we could make it a Blow Off Valve Silencer kit as an option for clients in your position and you can just add it to cart when purchasing.

Your thoughts?

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Some in the USA may want it as well. I know personally, if I were to ever buy the kit, I wouldn't want the constant boy racer BOV sound. Been there, done that on my single turbo FD3S RX-7 and it got old fast. Couldn't imagine it on a daily driver. Going on 38 years of age I don't need the extra attention and noise.
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Some in the USA may want it as well. I know personally, if I were to ever buy the kit, I wouldn't want the constant boy racer BOV sound. Been there, done that on my single turbo FD3S RX-7 and it got old fast. Couldn't imagine it on a daily driver. Going on 38 years of age I don't need the extra attention and noise.
I honestly rarely hear mine now. I hear the blower whistling more than the BOV.
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Thanks RIPP, great write up.

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We understand your position on the BOV recirc, we could make it a Blow Off Valve Silencer kit as an option for clients in your position and you can just add it to cart when purchasing.

Your thoughts?

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That would be perfect, having the option makes a lot of sense to me for those that need or want a recirc and I presume would come with a little mini install instructions for these.

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Hi guys ,

Since you 3 are the only 3 offering a Blower/ supercharger kit, there are some things we all need to know to help us find the right blower for our own application.

Not everyone wants the fastest , some just want an extra kick without doing more and others want a kit that they can add onto down the track.

The most common thing the forum whats to know is the tuning.

Could you guys chime in and explain what we actually get.

Is it just one base tune all modes
or is it made like the factory system in respects to modes ?
so a base tune for auto mode , a better one for Sports and then a full blown one for track mode ?

does MDS still work for fuel economy ?

Ripps are the only Shop thus far to load up videos and numbers on there kit , how far off are livernois and demon

Can ripps go into detail about the kit being maxed out already ?

If so are you guys looking at new blowers or different kits for customers wanting room to move?
Are you guys looking at fixing the BOV issue for the Australian market which is growing all the time ?
its law for our bov to be plumbed back or we get a defect notice and can drive our car.
2012-2014 6.4 SRT JEEP Cherokee Supercharger — RIPP Superchargers is your kit , im not complaining but why would you have this on sale when its brand new ?
what program are you guys using for tuning ?



Demon,
your kit reads really good and looks good from jims rig, are you guys going to add some video of new cars just completed doing a dyno run and the number?
Does your kit offer a plumbed back BOV for the Australian market as well?
have you guys cracked the tuning issue that has plagued us getting great tunes from you now ?
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your using Diablo for tunes.


livernois,
Your kit i cant find on your site only links to the whipple site, they use SCT for the tuning but you guys use your advanced MYCAL to tune .
From what i was told today you guys are at THE final stage of testing basically crossing you T'S and dotting the i's as they say.
with the black one your doing final testing on are you guys going to be adding video and dyno readings ?

will your kit be as easy as the procharger kit to install ?
is it a kit that can be installed at home as well ?
Is this a similar kit your offering ?
News :: Whipple releases 12-14 Jeep Cherokee SRT 6.4L Supercharger kit! - Whipple Superchargers
are you guys offering the kit in the colors as well ?

I hope all 3 vendors respond , this isnt a comp on who has the best, just a REAL update for us all to make it easier to select the right kit for us personally, since i actually am having trouble make a decision. and since its not like i can drop it back for a refund some more info and videos does help us the forum customers make a decision.

So thanks very much if you can pop on in and inform us all

I guess the simplest way for me to answer would be with the following.

We are using the whipple hardware, married with our own air intake, our own injectors, and various other tweaks and changes to the base whipple offering.

We do use our own proprietary hardware and software to tune these.

As for results, we posted them a long time ago, they are on our facebook, on whipple's facebook, they were on the forum, and many other places.

Now, why you won't find it on our site is simple. We don't bait customers into a purchase until everything is finalized. That just upsets people. Once complete to our standards, it will be ready for further installs, and shipping of the system as well.

The video is mostly done, just waiting on the customer's approval since it is their truck after all.
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