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End-Link Photo Comparison - BWP vs BlackOps

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#1 ·
hey guys

i'll let the photos do the talking. draw your own conclusions and please note that i am a customer of both vendors (end-links) and not affiliated with either.

hopefully this will help some of you decide which way to go.

peace

Boz.
 

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here are a couple more..
 

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#3 ·
+1 For BlackOps, great pics as well! You should include the stock endlinks as well... they are puny!!!
 
#6 ·
Good idea.. Will do as soon as they're off the car


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Does anyone know what kind of spherical rod ends that BlackOps uses in their endlinks? Are they rebuildable? I don't see a c-clip holding the assembly into the housing, so I would imagine they aren't, although that isn't necessarily a deal killer, just curious...
 
#5 ·
Chad mentioned that the end-links are 100% rebuild able and they would take care of it at no charge. I'll see if Chad can get in here and answer.
 
#7 ·
We are using a Polyurethane socket by Energy Suspension and our own steel ball-stud developed in conjunction with Energy Suspension.

We chose these over spherical bearings/rod ends because even the highest quality spherical bearings will begin to rattle and make noise over time. These provide very similar flexibility without the rattle.

They are 100% rebuildable by simply replacing the urethane socket - it is the only wear item on the parts. Removing/installing the socket is relatively straight forward with an arbor press or large vise, or they can be sent to us. We expect them not to need any sort of rebuild honestly.:D
 
#13 ·
beautiful build, and what a quality standard you put there.

im sorry for asking this stupid question, what is the functionality of this part and what does it do with the end links + the control arms?

i feel a little bit lost.

thanks,




and for everyone who are asking for proof of quality of bwoody, please give me your address to send you my broken bwoody true ram air which was totally their fault.
 
#8 ·
Black ops!!! Bwoody is junk in my eyes. They don't stand behind their product and they don't care about their customers. Chad on the other hand cares about us and wants to make sure we are happy. I ordered something from bwoody for my old jeep and what a freakin nightmare !


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I just got these late last week. They look pretty bad ass! Just waiting on control arms to come then throwing them on together. Nice work Black Ops!


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Has anyone had both installed and can they comment on differences in feel?

I sold my Bwoody last week before installing them and just received my Black Ops End links. Quality comparison, as you can see from the pics, these are worlds apart. I'm just curious how each of them perform.

I need to take my Jeep to the dealer for the Carbon Fiber Trim Recall and I will have them install the End Links then.
 
#12 ·
I'm trying to sell mine .. No takers LOL ?

Cancelled my order for BWoody control arms in dacoit of the BlackOps (which just arrived) BWoody were nice enough to issue me a refund less a "restocking fee" which kinda sucked

Peace
 
#14 ·
On this topic of end-links - what are people doing regarding these pieces are they just buying the end-links and not the control arms, or both. I know they serve different purposes, but if I'm going to get the beast on a lift again, I'm thinking of doing both. I'm running Eibach springs and stock 3 seasons on stock rims - another few months the blizzacks will be on

However, a few concerns

1) Living in Michigan the roads are crap - will the ride be too stiff as a daily driver
2) Is one part more 'bang for the buck' - I'm not adverse to buying both as I like the products from Blackops - and would like a little tighter steering - but don't want to just throw money at it to have a track car, when it has only been the track once.
3) install - anyone have an estimate of how many labor hours at a good shop this would take.

Lastly, as I've told Blackops as soon as the front tower brace is avail, I'll take one of those, so I'm all about the bundle...

Thanks, in advance!
 
#15 ·
Labor on end links less than 45 minutes.
the end links did not make my ride any harsher. It more affects the steering tightness and lessens body roll.
 
#16 ·
Thank you!


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#17 ·
the BlackOps control arms are for extreme drop springs to bring the alignment in and bring the sway bar back to the stock location. Ive had the sway links for almost a year with 0 problems. they still look new if you look under my truck. The bwoodys on my 2013 squeaked after a week and take constant greasing. I left them on the 13 when I traded for the 14...if that gives you any idea how much I cared about them.
 
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ordered the end links (OEM-1.5" drop) today - keeping my mechanic in business :)
 
#25 ·
^My BWP links have been going strong for 5 years under pretty harsh conditions including heavy tow, deep snow, extended subzero, and spirited high alpine driving in the twisties. No issues, no noise. Just saying.
 
#26 ·
Here's to reviving an old discussion.....


I'm really agonizing over upgrading my OE end links, as I'm looking to improve the cornering ability (even incrementally) of my '15 GC, with the Quadra-Lift suspension.

I realize that everybody has their preferences, and after spending $200-300 for parts, I also realize that many people would be reluctant to say that the expenditure was a waste of money.

Having said that, the BlackOps pieces look VERY nice, as well as well made, but they are very similar to the OE parts, and I assume (maybe incorrectly) they function in a similar manner. The BWoody links, however, are of a different design, and I could see where they might perform differently, possibly better.

Is there anybody that has experience with both? If so, what's your opinion? I don't go off-roading, just some occasional spirited street driving.
FWIW, I almost pulled the trigger on a set of the BWoody parts yesterday, but when I called then to ask a couple of questions about them, they put me on "hold", and after 7-8 minutes of waiting, I hung up....
 
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I can speak of mine they are similar to the OEM because the engineering is correct

Here is a link to some of the best rear suspension component's for a track Camaro I've ever seen.

Proven Wicked

We spoke of making all of these componets for the Jeep and decided against it simply put we where afaraid no one would be able to adjust it all and we would be doing more damage by releasing such complex parts to almost all daily drivers where most of these adjustments not needed because they are such fine tunning of the overall suspension.

Please look at the Swivel links and the adjustmens in the rear swey bar for example it's call the switchblade.

This guy is friends with my engineer and my engineer MFG's for Mopar and just finished up designing the New Fiat Shifter so he has designed our links and engineered them to work as they should.



I never really understood why you would want to solid mount your swey bar to an independent rear suspension?:confused:
 
#30 ·
Sorry for not being clear the picture was to show the amount of travel and adjustability on a race application with an independent rear we use noting that will rust on our links.

The bolt on the busing you speak of is held in with a large washer because when the suspension travels it wants to pull the bolt through the bushing hence the large washer. This is not correct and not the geometry the rear wants to move in. When one side goes down its forcing the other side to do the opposite no matter road conditions this is not a pivot it's a forced action put into play by the opposite side instead of being independent so this is how I come up with solid mount. Not how an independent rear should work in any race setup.

First words my engineer said when I showed him a solid mount his words not mine was "that's an OEM downgrade" I'm more than willing to give you his number for further explanation if you PM me.

Proven wicked and my engineer who's background is F1 racing and suspension know and can explain a lot better than I lol.

I relay info to buyers as to how I'm presented it from pro's that have years of experience. This is why I left the links,arms, strut tower bar and upper front A Arms to an engineer last thing I want to do is screw up a 70k truck.
 
#31 · (Edited)
I got to find out my '14 SRT had BWoody rear end links installed on it when both catastrophically failed recently, cracking and virtually exploding for no apparent reason after a mere 30k miles; heim joints had seized and the aluminum shaft bodies cracked in several places.

BWoody end links are crap-- shop accordingly!


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I got to find out my '14 SRT had BWoody rear end links installed on it when both catastrophically failed recently, cracking and virtually exploding for no apparent reason after a mere 30k miles; heim joints had seized and the aluminum shaft bodies cracked in several places.

BWoody end links are crap-- shop accordingly!

Ah, I just found pics of the POS' installed in an email my dealer originally sent me, but there aren't any close-ups of the cracks...

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Not to be "nit-picky", but you're a little confused.......Those links you pictured may indeed be BWoody links, and they may have cracked, but they are certainly NOT heim links! They're bushings, probably polyurethane.
 
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Photos please...
 
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