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Re: End-Link Photo Comparison - BWP vs BlackOps

^My BWP links have been going strong for 5 years under pretty harsh conditions including heavy tow, deep snow, extended subzero, and spirited high alpine driving in the twisties. No issues, no noise. Just saying.

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Re: End-Link Photo Comparison - BWP vs BlackOps

Here's to reviving an old discussion.....


I'm really agonizing over upgrading my OE end links, as I'm looking to improve the cornering ability (even incrementally) of my '15 GC, with the Quadra-Lift suspension.

I realize that everybody has their preferences, and after spending $200-300 for parts, I also realize that many people would be reluctant to say that the expenditure was a waste of money.

Having said that, the BlackOps pieces look VERY nice, as well as well made, but they are very similar to the OE parts, and I assume (maybe incorrectly) they function in a similar manner. The BWoody links, however, are of a different design, and I could see where they might perform differently, possibly better.

Is there anybody that has experience with both? If so, what's your opinion? I don't go off-roading, just some occasional spirited street driving.
FWIW, I almost pulled the trigger on a set of the BWoody parts yesterday, but when I called then to ask a couple of questions about them, they put me on "hold", and after 7-8 minutes of waiting, I hung up....
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Re: End-Link Photo Comparison - BWP vs BlackOps

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Here's to reviving an old discussion.....


I'm really agonizing over upgrading my OE end links, as I'm looking to improve the cornering ability (even incrementally) of my '15 GC, with the Quadra-Lift suspension.

I realize that everybody has their preferences, and after spending $200-300 for parts, I also realize that many people would be reluctant to say that the expenditure was a waste of money.

Having said that, the BlackOps pieces look VERY nice, as well as well made, but they are very similar to the OE parts, and I assume (maybe incorrectly) they function in a similar manner. The BWoody links, however, are of a different design, and I could see where they might perform differently, possibly better.

Is there anybody that has experience with both? If so, what's your opinion? I don't go off-roading, just some occasional spirited street driving.
FWIW, I almost pulled the trigger on a set of the BWoody parts yesterday, but when I called then to ask a couple of questions about them, they put me on "hold", and after 7-8 minutes of waiting, I hung up....
I can speak of mine they are similar to the OEM because the engineering is correct

Here is a link to some of the best rear suspension component's for a track Camaro I've ever seen.

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We spoke of making all of these componets for the Jeep and decided against it simply put we where afaraid no one would be able to adjust it all and we would be doing more damage by releasing such complex parts to almost all daily drivers where most of these adjustments not needed because they are such fine tunning of the overall suspension.

Please look at the Swivel links and the adjustmens in the rear swey bar for example it's call the switchblade.

This guy is friends with my engineer and my engineer MFG's for Mopar and just finished up designing the New Fiat Shifter so he has designed our links and engineered them to work as they should.



I never really understood why you would want to solid mount your swey bar to an independent rear suspension?
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Will the BlackOps endlinks work on a Summit 4x4 Quadralift? I've been looking at upgrading for a while with the BW endlinks, thankfully I kept researching threads and came across this.
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Yes they wil sorry for the months old answer
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I can speak of mine they are similar to the OEM because the engineering is correct

Here is a link to some of the best rear suspension component's for a track Camaro I've ever seen.

Proven Wicked

We spoke of making all of these componets for the Jeep and decided against it simply put we where afaraid no one would be able to adjust it all and we would be doing more damage by releasing such complex parts to almost all daily drivers where most of these adjustments not needed because they are such fine tunning of the overall suspension.

Please look at the Swivel links and the adjustmens in the rear swey bar for example it's call the switchblade.

This guy is friends with my engineer and my engineer MFG's for Mopar and just finished up designing the New Fiat Shifter so he has designed our links and engineered them to work as they should.



I never really understood why you would want to solid mount your swey bar to an independent rear suspension?

Those swivel links are very similar to the ones I have on my Corvette. I would be reluctant to use them on my GC only because of the potential rust issues derived from road salt.

http://www.vbandp.com/auto-parts.htm...category_id=57


I don't think that you could say the sway bar is "solidly mounted". The two bolts at each end act as "pivot points", and the bushings on the middle of bar, where it attaches to the axle, allow for some "twist".

Prior to buying the GC, I had a GMC Canyon 4x4. Yes, it was a solid rear axle, but I added a Hellwig rear sway bar to it. The end links they used (and sell separately) are similar in design to the BWP links, but the Hellwig pieces are adjustable fot length.
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Re: End-Link Photo Comparison - BWP vs BlackOps

Sorry for not being clear the picture was to show the amount of travel and adjustability on a race application with an independent rear we use noting that will rust on our links.

The bolt on the busing you speak of is held in with a large washer because when the suspension travels it wants to pull the bolt through the bushing hence the large washer. This is not correct and not the geometry the rear wants to move in. When one side goes down its forcing the other side to do the opposite no matter road conditions this is not a pivot it's a forced action put into play by the opposite side instead of being independent so this is how I come up with solid mount. Not how an independent rear should work in any race setup.

First words my engineer said when I showed him a solid mount his words not mine was "that's an OEM downgrade" I'm more than willing to give you his number for further explanation if you PM me.

Proven wicked and my engineer who's background is F1 racing and suspension know and can explain a lot better than I lol.

I relay info to buyers as to how I'm presented it from pro's that have years of experience. This is why I left the links,arms, strut tower bar and upper front A Arms to an engineer last thing I want to do is screw up a 70k truck.
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End-Link Photo Comparison - BWP vs BlackOps

I got to find out my '14 SRT had BWoody rear end links installed on it when both catastrophically failed recently, cracking and virtually exploding for no apparent reason after a mere 30k miles; heim joints had seized and the aluminum shaft bodies cracked in several places.

BWoody end links are crap-- shop accordingly!


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Re: End-Link Photo Comparison - BWP vs BlackOps

I wish I had taken some, but my dealer removed them and tossed them before I could see them-- they were SO mortified by their condition, they agreed to put new factory ones on at no additional charge!

I MAY actually have the invoice, though... I'll look.


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Suffices to say, since they managed to get them replaced under warranty, they didn't state specifically that the links were aftermarket... But they, in fact, WERE.


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Ah, I just found pics of the POS' installed in an email my dealer originally sent me, but there aren't any close-ups of the cracks...

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They look bad enough from these pics... Yet more real world proof.
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