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Old 01-06-2017, 08:49 AM
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Re: Enough is enough

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Really?

Ever own a "premium" vehicle?

I have...more than I can count..

Ever own an 11 or 12 GC? Again, I did. Never saw the shop.

Ever own an SRT? ...Once again, I do, you don't.

From your experience, can you tell me what is missing from my '17 GC SRT that a premium brand would deliver, because I am at a loss...

Maybe we have different ideas of a premium vehicle. Yeah I've owned a 2009 SRT, 12 Overland, 14 Overland and 15 Overland. I didn't say there was anything wrong with the Jeep but it's a dodge. And yeah I've owned a premium brand. Currently do lol

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Re: Enough is enough

Heck! the 2012 transmission and shifter is different than the 2017 transmission and shifter, this Jeep SRT is being refined like a fine wine overtime.
While I was getting my oil change on my 1995 orvis edition Jeep Grand Cherokee, they had a pearl white 2017 SRT in the showroom with the red leather interior, OMG it is beautiful inside and out, I sat in the driver seat very comfortable, the headrest just fit perfectly behind my head, the deep dash layout is beautiful, I adjusted the steering wheel, the driver seat, back and forth, the lower seat back behind your lower spine where you can feel that bulge came out to support your lower spine, its great.

I sat in the passenger seat it is great, went and sat in the back seat behind the driver seat, and there is lots of room back there compare to my 1995 Jeep, this is a bigger much wider Jeep, I pull down the center arm rest and pull the lever on the left side of the rear seats and recline the seats it is great, you cannot recline the rear seats or get adaptive cruise control on a BMW X5M,X6M.Not enough room for the technology under the hood was stated.

You also get a remote start on the key fob of the Jeep not on any German imports, well I make my money of the stock market here in Canada, 3 things I want to do,1 make enough money to have some liquid cash to buy this vehicle.2 get a brand new iPhone to take pictures of the SRT whenever I buy it{ I have old blackberry phone}.3 make a $100.00 donation to this site to support the good folks here.

Chrysler could add everything as an option that the German imports have from pedestrian detection, HUD= heads up display, to soft close doors, night vision, to that blind shade that you pull on the rear windows, and it still would not cost an extra 50k.

What Chrysler already have in the company that they should implement on the SRT is power folded mirror, the SRT door sill should light up, just like the summit door sill, heated and cool cup holder was on the Chrysler 300, they can bump that up to the Jeep SRT, where you have a cover that you pull back and forth to cover the cup holder and press a button to activate cool and heat function for your beverage .

The folks at Chrysler are laughing at the competition because they know they can add so many features and technology to there vehicle{ they have alot of wiggle room} and have their vehicle price thousands of $ below the competition especially the import competition.
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This is not a one off story from any brand. I work with high rollers that drive top end Benz, Bimmer and Volvo vehicles..... every single one has had similar problems. The only vehicles that seem to be right day one and stay that way for a full 200k miles are toyota's and Lexus.


Not entirely accurate. I worked for a company whose fleet was mostly Lexus' and they were in the shop all the time. Same issues: electrical malfunctions triggering different alerts that the dealer could never find, noises, TPMS malfunctions, starters, and so on. It was entirely disheartening for me to see from a Toyota luxury brand.

I've concluded that until Tesla and the others start to challenge the industry we're at where we're at. There's no reason for QA issues like these (or bad software) in this day and age. There's no reason 100% end to end warranties shouldn't be the norm other than they know they're not giving it their all. Rather than irritating customers they need to start focusing on customer loyalty and entice customers to upgrade / trade in on new models. Maybe I'm just an old school sap and Wall Street only cares about the immediate hit not the long run success (oh yeah, that's exactly what they do).
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:44 PM
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Re: Enough is enough

I had previously owned a 2011 Hemi GC LTD as well. 0 issues and I never even followed the scheduled maintenance. Sold in 2015 and was amazed at the trade in I got. Maybe you should reach out to SRT and take it from there. Hope your concerns get addressed.
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Re: Enough is enough

Oh boo friggin hoo.....
So you had a bit of a bad run...get over it, it happens on euro stuff too!
Trade it on a 17 SRT, call it a miss and rock on.
I have had a 2012, 2014, 2015 and now a 2017 SRT.
Maybe I've been lucky, but none have ever had QC issues of any kind.
They have not been back to FCA for anything at all other than service or updates.
You need to get back on the horse
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Re: Enough is enough

All cars have their problems, especially when you get to the performance market. Here are the highlights of my past:
  • BMW e46 M3: engine had a tendency to grenade due to VANOS issues that let the valves meet the pistons, SMG pump that liked to fail to the tune of $1.5k (part only), rear sub-frame that liked to crack and separate from the car
  • C6 Corvette Z06: LS7 liked to destroy valve guides--frequently. If you were lucky, you'd rebuild the heads, if you were unlucky you'd drop a valve and grenade a $15k engine (parts only)
  • Lexus IS250--wife's car that liked to eat cam lobes on the high pressure fuel pump--replaced the entire top end of the engine, info-tainment screen would break meaning you couldn't change the radio, AC, etc...

This is just the highlights from my past cars. The build quality of my SRT Jeep is not so great when it comes to panel alignment and paint, but hopefully it won't grenade itself like the cars of my past. From what I've read, the reliability of the SRT Jeep is pretty good--we'll see. I'll take a blind spot sensor failing or poor panel alignment over dropping a valve any day!
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Re: Enough is enough

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Sorry Eric, but we just aren't seeing eye to eye. 3k for brake parts? You can find two piece rotors from places like ESC for all four corners for 1100 bucks. Another 300 for pads. My brake change on the SRT (rotors and pads) cost me about a grand. 2,000 for a clutch? You can buy a full kit for 500-600 dollars.

In any case, I digress



I've read numerous post of this forum of other members that would disagree with you. Shame on me for thinking the SRT line was one of FCA's premium offering



Can't disagree with you Tyre, I did in fact buy a used vehicle and I agree, every manufacturer has its issues. The examples I provided in my original post have occurred to numerous individuals here, regardless of new/used. Why is the finish on the wheels complete sh*t? Why couldn't FCA spend an extra couple of cents to use a half way decent epoxy for the interior pieces? etc. We'll never know.

Again, just needed to vent my displeasure.
Thanks for coming here to tell us how much the SRT sucks.

You bought it used. God knows how many miles are REALLY on it.

You bought the first year...because first year models are known for being glitch free

Nothing you describes is a show stopper. Jeep stepped up to take care of the fiber carbon delaminating outside of warranty. Maintenance costs are not out of line with other high performance SUV's, and overall, arguably lower. Obviously, you didn't look into maintenance costs before your bough the SRT. The wheels flaking? Aggressive wheel cleaner use by you, someone washing it, or the previous owner. But of course, that would never happen with another brand, right?

The rough running and fault code you describe could very well be from low octane fuel, but still, it's the only significant issue you described.

Now that you feel better, please return to what other brand that gave you a flawless ownership experience.
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Re: Enough is enough

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Carbon cleans every 10k - 20k miles depending on how bad you want to let it get. $1,000 or 10 hours or so of your own time to perform. Look it up and see how bad it gets.
What is a "Carbon Clean" exactly?
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What is a "Carbon Clean" exactly?
The B7 Rs4 is notorious for carbon build up. I wouldn't touch one but they have a cult following that see's it as a must have Audi. My B7 s4 was far more reliable. Basically carbon builds up on the valves and it needs to be cleaned periodically.

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I don't understand how carbon can build up in a modern computer controlled engine, with digital electronic fuel injection? Especially with no lead fuel. Yeah, I can remember the 60's with leaded gas, breaker point distributor ignition, carburetors, automatic "choke stoves" that would rust up and stick. But today?

If you look inside most new car tailpipes they all look like the day they were made. Inside a 60's or 70's tailpipe you could literally scrape out chunks of carbon. We "cleaned it out" with a tankful of "Sunoco 260", along with a trip to the drag strip on a nice Sunday afternoon. A set of new plugs. A couple of passes, and we were good to go. Now with modern engines they've established a racket to extract more money to "clean up" clean burning engines. How do these things pass emission tests if they carbon up that bad?
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Re: Enough is enough

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Thanks for coming here to tell us how much the SRT sucks.

You bought it used. God knows how many miles are REALLY on it.

You bought the first year...because first year models are known for being glitch free

Nothing you describes is a show stopper. Jeep stepped up to take care of the fiber carbon delaminating outside of warranty. Maintenance costs are not out of line with other high performance SUV's, and overall, arguably lower. Obviously, you didn't look into maintenance costs before your bough the SRT. The wheels flaking? Aggressive wheel cleaner use by you, someone washing it, or the previous owner. But of course, that would never happen with another brand, right?

The rough running and fault code you describe could very well be from low octane fuel, but still, it's the only significant issue you described.

Now that you feel better, please return to what other brand that gave you a flawless ownership experience.
No, Thank YOU for posting on this thread along with your assumptions...

Nowhere did I state SRT sucks

Certified used w/ 5900 miles in 2013 as found in post 1. Sorry I didn't putz around for another year or two simply to avoid a 2012 model

Plenty of threads on here where FCA did NOT step up to help owners out on the carbon fiber trim, a KNOWN issue. nonetheless, interior pieces peeling away from any dashboard shouldn't be happening in the first place...

I didn't look into maintenance costs Hmm, funny how you'd know such a thing

Wheels flaking, again, a KNOWN issue. I'm interested to hear if you think the finish bubbling and flaking off on ANY $70k+ vehicle is acceptable

93 octane used 100% under my ownership

Again, thanks for stopping by
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Re: Enough is enough

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I don't understand how carbon can build up in a modern computer controlled engine, with digital electronic fuel injection? Especially with no lead fuel. Yeah, I can remember the 60's with leaded gas, breaker point distributor ignition, carburetors, automatic "choke stoves" that would rust up and stick. But today?

If you look inside most new car tailpipes they all look like the day they were made. Inside a 60's or 70's tailpipe you could literally scrape out chunks of carbon. We "cleaned it out" with a tankful of "Sunoco 260", along with a trip to the drag strip on a nice Sunday afternoon. A set of new plugs. A couple of passes, and we were good to go. Now with modern engines they've established a racket to extract more money to "clean up" clean burning engines. How do these things pass emission tests if they carbon up that bad?
Carbon buildup on the valves is a symptom of Gas Direct Injection (GDI) engines that have come to market in the last 5-10 years. These engines inject fuel directly into the cylinder, bypassing the intake valves which only meter air going into the engine. Previous generations of engines had port injection that injected fuel ahead of the intake valve and provided a fuel vapor/mist to 'wash' the valve stems and seats and prevent carbon buildup. Some manufacturers tried to address the issue by having variable valve timing & overlap to adjust when the intake valves were open and provide a minimal amount of 'wash' from inside the cylinder.

My wifes 2009 Saturn Outlook has the 3.6L GDI engine and has lots of carbon buildup on the intake valves that so far (knock on wood) has not caused any issues. Buildup can lead to rough idle, misfires, reduced power & poor gas mileage. Do a google search on Audi cars with GDI engines and carbon buildup. You will find many unhappy customers that have to dish out $1000's to clean their engines every 10k-20k miles. Manufacturers have recognized the shortcomings of GDI and new engine designs will now incorporate both port injection (to clean the valves) and direction injection (for power and emissions).
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