Originally Posted by PIXER
What a troll... Its not "someone made enough money somewhere" its they took the deal, cut there loss and moved on. If you are truley believe car dealers dont sell SOME cars and loose money... you are severly mistaken.
And "however I do not have time to haggle so my first shot will be at 60 + tax and destination and straight KBB (dealer trade-in value) for my trade-in."
Great, you dont have time to haggle but you have time to post online and online shop... The "I dont have time to haggle" is such a pVssy way of saying "I'm cheap and hate confrontations"
Quickest way is to pay sticker... or take a "fair deal"
And KBB doesnt buy vehicles, they are a GUIDE.
KBB "Fair condition" minus reconditioning is a decent way to determine trade value 75% of the time
I'm perfectly fine with haggling, no problem at all....just do not have time to spare at the moment to do it at the dealer office so I may do it on the phone.
Dealers may sell "at loss" if you look at the number of the single deal but sometimes they "take a loss" to reach volume levels that trigger other hidden bonuses...or to move old inventory so when they make a deal there is always something to gain on the sale for the dealer otherwise there would be not sale....so when they finally agree to a price I suggest it is because they reach a level they are comfortable with.
Always traded my cars at a "dealer trade-in" KBB suggested level ...a deal breaker for me if they don't, it's not even up for discussion on my side....they usually attempt to sale the used cars at much higher prices than the KBB "buy from a dealer" suggested price so they make money the other way.
My cars are always kept in pristine shape so there is no need to recondition anything...I even detail them when I trade them in.
I think you take things too personally....remember, it's a business transaction not a romantic relationship or a fist fight.....if I suggest a price level too low, the salesman will not even talk to me and waste his time....is that simple....no need to get upset with an informed buyer....if a person with your confrontational attitude would cross my way when I buy a car I would not waste my breath and time and shop somewhere else or ask to the sales manager to assign a different salesman to the deal.
I always had a very nice and respectful relationship with the people I bought my cars from...they call me from time to time to check on me. For example, the Infiniti salesman I bought my Q50 Sport from in September asked me if I will stop by and take a spin on the SRT if I buy one and he tried very hard to locate a 2014 QX70 with the V8 engine for me....
Never called names anybody.