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The X5M mentioned in this thread is further out of our league, than we are out of the Explorer's.
Not really. In the context of what we're talking about here, stock for stock, the gap between the M and SRT is narrower than the gap between the SRT and Sport. The M and SRT are at least both considered performance SUVs and they are in the same league ... it's just that the M is faster.

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Not really. In the context of what we're talking about here, stock for stock, the gap between the M and SRT is narrower than the gap between the SRT and Sport. The M and SRT are at least both considered performance SUVs and they are in the same league ... it's just that the M is faster.
The M class is a touch over 30k more than SRT. Not sure pricing on a topped out explorer. Natural aspirated vs turbo? Which makes them really the same League? People do compare them due to how amazing the SRT is but geee....X5M gets worse gas mileage than SRT. At least when the hellcat jeep comes out then there will be a fair comparison.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

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Not really. In the context of what we're talking about here, stock for stock, the gap between the M and SRT is narrower than the gap between the SRT and Sport. The M and SRT are at least both considered performance SUVs and they are in the same league ... it's just that the M is faster.
Naw.

X5M's have 100 more HP. Run low 12's and trap in the 113-115mph. They're on another planet from the SRT. You'd need a blower just to get where the BMW is bone stock.

The X5M and X6M are the gold standard for performance SUV's. Cayenne, the AMG's, The Rovers they're all playing catch up.

Hell, the X5 50i's are faster than Jeep SRT's. They run high 12's at 109mph. That's the better comparison.

Explorer Sports are in the mid $50's maxed out. About 15K off a Jeep.

X5M's get up to $115K.

Different league of vehicle.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

We have a fanboy here pimping BMW. Take it somewhere else. I hope you at least have the aforementioned ride. Then I can at least appreciate your passion.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

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We have a fanboy here pimping BMW. Take it somewhere else. I hope you at least have the aforementioned ride. Then I can at least appreciate your passion.
I'm certainly NOT a BMW Fanboy. I'm a Mopar/AMG guy (see list of cars in my sig). If I wanted to deal with blown turbos and blown motors I'd buy a BMW.

The Jeep is in it's own class. That's why it's so successful at it's price point. There is no real competition for a performance SUV at $70K.


I'm also not dillusional. The X5M and X6M cut everything up (Cayenne Turbo, Rover SVR, GL AMG's etc) in it's class performance wise. It's an animal.
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Naw.

X5M's have 100 more HP. Run low 12's and trap in the 113-115mph. They're on another planet from the SRT. You'd need a blower just to get where the BMW is bone stock.

The X5M and X6M are the gold standard for performance SUV's. Cayenne, the AMG's, The Rovers they're all playing catch up.

Hell, the X5 50i's are faster than Jeep SRT's. They run high 12's at 109mph. That's the better comparison.

Explorer Sports are in the mid $50's maxed out. About 15K off a Jeep.

X5M's get up to $115K.

Different league of vehicle.
lol. I don't disagree with this and I know what the X5M is ... In case you missed it, I'm guessing you did, I said "in the context of what we're talking about here" and I was talking about "the gap between M/SRT vs. the gap between SRT/Sport". I was responding to this...


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The X5M mentioned in this thread is further out of our league, than we are out of the Explorer's.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

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lol. I don't disagree with this and I know what the X5M is ... In case you missed it, I'm guessing you did, I said "in the context of what we're talking about here" and I was talking about "the gap between M/SRT vs. the gap between SRT/Sport".
A) I was here letting people know that modded Ecoboost vehicles are out there and are capeable of beating an SRT at a stoplight.

The way you guys laugh at the Explorer is how X5M guys (I didn't bring it up, someone here did) would be laughing at us. Plain and simple. To say it's a better comparison is hilarious.


B) The gap is bigger with the X5M. They're significantly more expensive. Better materials. Significantly more powerful.

The X5 50i is the comparable BMW.

The Jeep is significantly faster (stock) than the Explorer, but the build quality/materials and price don't have that large of a gap.

It's way easier to get an Explorer to our level than it is to get a Jeep to an X5M's level.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

I don't usually get involved with these arguments but I'm bored, it's Friday and feel like having some input. For the most part the drive train in your SRT is almost identical to that found in the new X5M, the only difference being the transfer case. Even the diff's look the same, different ratios of course. Your wheel bearings (SKF/FAG), drive shafts etc. all come from the same manufacturer you just get Jeep/Chrysler stamped on them where BMW seem ok with leaving the SKF/FAG or other manufaturers name on them, amongst other parts. I would even go so far as to say the SRT has better brakes. So when talking about mechanical parts and quality there is nothing in it when comparing the SRT to the X5M. Interior wise I would say I like the design and prefer the build quality of the SRT compared to my E70 X5. It's certainly quieter on the freeway. The Surround sound in the SRT is also far better than the Logic 7 in the E70. Although I do prefer using the iDrive controller to the touch screen on Uconnect.

I'd also go so far as to say I am a bit of a BMW fanboy but didnt want to blow $160k on a new X5M when I could get comparable build quality and performance (stock for stock) from the SRT @ $90k. The 0-100 on the X5M is listed as 4.2, yet I've seen these pull 3.8s stock. Probably the same as saying the stock SRT pulls 4.9s 0-100 yet I always see 4.2-4.3 from mine.

If I had the $$, given how much I like to modify my cars I would have gone with the new X5M, it has so much potential for little cost. Those mods are also easily reversable and the ECU's in those things easier to play with than those in the 2015 SRT's. I don't fancy pulling a supercharger off the SRT everytime it goes in for a service.

No one should under estimate the SRT when comparing it to BMW, Porsche, Merc etc. yet there does seem to be a stigma attached to the Jeep brand. It's like the people that bought a Jeep feel they have something to prove, especially when you tell someone you blew $90k on Jeep. I'm ok with that, people ask what I paid, I tell them the price, they look confused then stop talking to me about it. If they don't know what a Hemi is I'm not concerned with small talk anyway. I'm a car guy, I'll do small talk with other car guys all day, I dont care if you have a 4 cylinder Civic or a V10 Gallardo. I just find it easier talking to other pepole when they know what their talking about.

As for a SRT vs. Explorer sport, not comparable, don't those things do 6.5 0-100's?

Also, OP, sorry fof hijacking your thread.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

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I don't usually get involved with these arguments but I'm bored, it's Friday and feel like having some input. For the most part the drive train in your SRT is almost identical to that found in the new X5M, the only difference being the transfer case. Even the diff's look the same, different ratios of course. Your wheel bearings (SKF/FAG), drive shafts etc. all come from the same manufacturer you just get Jeep/Chrysler stamped on them where BMW seem ok with leaving the SKF/FAG or other manufaturers name on them, amongst other parts. I would even go so far as to say the SRT has better brakes. So when talking about mechanical parts and quality there is nothing in it when comparing the SRT to the X5M. Interior wise I would say I like the design and prefer the build quality of the SRT compared to my E70 X5. It's certainly quieter on the freeway. The Surround sound in the SRT is also far better than the Logic 7 in the E70. Although I do prefer using the iDrive controller to the touch screen on Uconnect.

I'd also go so far as to say I am a bit of a BMW fanboy but didnt want to blow $160k on a new X5M when I could get comparable build quality and performance (stock for stock) from the SRT @ $90k. The 0-100 on the X5M is listed as 4.2, yet I've seen these pull 3.8s stock. Probably the same as saying the stock SRT pulls 4.9s 0-100 yet I always see 4.2-4.3 from mine.
The new X5M's are manufacturer rated at 4 flat for the 0-60. Which means real world they're faster. Car and Driver got a 3.8. And beyond the 60ft it's a thrashing. 115mph trap speeds from a bone stock SUV is absurd.

Check it out. This video is 6 days old. The Jeep gets TROUNCED.



The X6M has been beating M4 times on every track it's been on.

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If I had the $$, given how much I like to modify my cars I would have gone with the new X5M, it has so much potential for little cost. Those mods are also easily reversable and the ECU's in those things easier to play with than those in the 2015 SRT's. I don't fancy pulling a supercharger off the SRT everytime it goes in for a service.
This X5M picked up nearly 100hp from just a tune. They're insane.




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No one should under estimate the SRT when comparing it to BMW, Porsche, Merc etc. yet there does seem to be a stigma attached to the Jeep brand. It's like the people that bought a Jeep feel they have something to prove, especially when you tell someone you blew $90k on Jeep. I'm ok with that, people ask what I paid, I tell them the price, they look confused then stop talking to me about it. If they don't know what a Hemi is I'm not concerned with small talk anyway. I'm a car guy, I'll do small talk with other car guys all day, I dont care if you have a 4 cylinder Civic or a V10 Gallardo. I just find it easier talking to other pepole when they know what their talking about.
I think the Jeep is worth every bit of 70K (I BOUGHT ONE). The interior materials (aside from the swaths of silver plastic) is really nice. The stitching is great. The leather dash is one of the better ones on the market. Everyone who gets in my Jeep is absolutely surprised by how permium it feels.

It isn't an X5M or Cayenne Turbo. Period. Which is why it's much slower and 45-65K cheaper.

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As for a SRT vs. Explorer sport, not comparable, don't those things do 6.5 0-100's?

Also, OP, sorry fof hijacking your thread.
I never said anything about a stock Explorer Sport. I meerly informed everyone that with the Ecoboost's gigantic aftermarket, it takes a downpipe and a tune to get them in SRT territory. There are plenty of mid 12 second Ford Explorer and Ford Flex's running around. It's a great sleeper platform.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

Don't forget there's + 2-3 tenths between 0-60mph vs 0-100kph

Also, over 1/4 mile X5M vs. SRT in those videos, thats quite a small difference stock for stock. I'd be ok with that in a race.
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Re: Had an encounter with an Explorer Sport

Man the styling goes the SRT hands down. The Porsche looks like a Beatle on steroids and the X5 while fast sure doesn't look the part.
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Man the styling goes the SRT hands down. The Porsche looks like a Beatle on steroids and the X5 while fast sure doesn't look the part.
Agree the BMW looks have definitely been on the decline the past several years
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