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Old 03-28-2014, 12:13 PM
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Re: little disappointment with my Jeep SRT family

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Seems like some sort of dig at the vendors here? Do you want us all gone or to sell cheap stuff that is either unsafe or gonna break in a month?

I take your comment personal as you think we are over here raping you on prices. It's very obvious you need to do some research on what we all do here not just me but Just for Jeeps, Xenon Depot, Twin Turbo Creations and many more because I talk to them all. We all complain about the cost we pay to buy stuff to resale it in case you want to know.

No one here is taking advantage by overpricing parts to you instead we set margins to make a small profit because it's a business sort of like your Job you go make money. Why can't we do that's? I can't even begin to tell you how may orders I actually loose money on because my margins are so tight sorry you feel this way about vendors that try to make parts for your rig.


We all bust our humps every day in and out talking to MFG and trying to hammer down prices to make them cheaper to the end user. I just got off the phone from a 2hr. Phone call with a MFG to only find out I may be able to MFG his own product cheaper that he is MFG it it's a non stop fight to try to lower costs everywhere for our customers.
Woah don't take what I said too personal, I was stating that in general. Where I live, everything is expensive; Automotives to electronics to household items to food. Was just saying that prices are always absurd as a consumer's perspective. Anyway we're going off topic now, my comment has nothing directed towards vendors here
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:14 PM
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You are correct on the comparrison thing. I am a craftsman and build stuff with pride so I know that there is no comparrison out there. But I guess it all plays into the next point....Ferrari's, Lambos, Austin Martins I even have a Bugatti owner for a customer....

The 2006 was way more attainable for guys that are not in this class like me. IMO Chrysler/Jeep missed their Niche at the moment when they had the momentum of the gen 1 reputation. I think that they are not worthy of the price that they ask due to your later mentioned comments about service. I too experienced the same issues with about 4 dealers and the SRT hotline. It did contribute to my decision to trade my 06. It is also part of the reason that I am in no way interested in a 14. I have come to accept that they are going to give me crap customer service and that there will be some quality issues. My 06 had parts flying off like the front chrome strip and they did not want to cover it. Or how about picking the jeep up from the dealer after they said that they inspected it and immediately hearing air rushing from the tire. so I asked them to repair it. I go to pick it up again and I hear the same air. I guess they did not see the 2nd hole that was literally 2 inches away from the first. LOL!! I could go on for days about my dealer experience. If I was going to spend close to 70k for a ride I would rather get something where I am treated like I actually just purchased a tier 1 product or at least better service than nissan gives my wife on her $25k altima LOL!!! I mean dont get me wrong, I think the 14 is awesome (although I really do not like the new grill/Headlights) but I'm sorry, Mopar dealerships just plain suck!! I got mad to the point that I wanted to literally fight these guys and I am not that type of guy in my everyday non military life. Well I am willing to accept that I will be doing most of my maintenance myself and only go to the dealer when it is a last resort.

That should not happen when you are buying what was the 2nd most expensive vehicle that they sold at that time (Second to the Viper).

I will simply get the 12, as maintenance items come up I will change out stuff (tires, brakes etc). I will save a little fun budget for exhaust, intake and I will of course do my custom fabrication thing in the Audio department and simply enjoy hopefully many good years without worry about having spent too much on a vehicle with QA issues and bad dealership experience. I have been bitten by the SRT JEEP bug. That is the reason why I am diving back in!
Not to mention, I will probably only be putting about 4000 miles on a year.

The rest of my cash will go back into my home and into the future of my 2 Awesome kids. I guess maybe I am getting boring with my age....all 36 years!!

Maybe one day down the line there will be an 8sp upgrade for the 12-13!!! (Not holding my breath)

Haa Awesome post same thing I feel I don't even own an SRT. I wanted to fight at least two myself like you haaa. The Wife and myself dumped 3 of our SRT's off in the past year all because of the dealer service in all honestly.

I love em and hope to be back in one some day once they update their dealership to more of user friendly service environment. Wish they would call me to go to dealers and train em on how to act and treat customers I'm up for that Job.

I not mad about the comment just work hard for the community I love and vehicles I don't even own that's love for a platform. I know everyone else that does this I menbtioned loves the platform too and know we all strive to lower end user costs trust me we all have had the talk more than once I know me and Steve and Peter and Chris have all had the talk more than once and that's just vendors here.

Thanks for the kind complement I really appreciate it I know almost everyone here does appreciate what we all do.
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Old 03-28-2014, 12:21 PM
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Woah don't take what I said too personal, I was stating that in general. Where I live, everything is expensive; Automotives to electronics to household items to food. Was just saying that prices are always absurd as a consumer's perspective. Anyway we're going off topic now, my comment has nothing directed towards vendors here
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I not mad about the comment just work hard for the community I love and vehicles I don't even own that's love for a platform. I know everyone else that does this I menbtioned loves the platform too and know we all strive to lower end user costs trust me we all have had the talk more than once I know me and Steve and Peter and Chris have all had the talk more than once and that's just vendors here.
O.K. Cool just want to make it clear how much every vendor here does when it comes to cost. Seems your country get's the crap end of the stick I send 10% of everything I do abroad and hear it all the time about costs I just shipped a set of Springs to Cali to someone on Vacation because shipping was 200 to his countryMust suck I know but in no way I make a single dime on shipping or calculate profits on shipping charges. I always quote low and take money off parts if room allows for international customers they may not know this but I sell parts not shipping.
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Re: little disappointment with my Jeep SRT family

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.....After all that.....I will admit though that the cost of all vehicles is rising at a rapid pace. Maybe I am the only one that is keeping up with the world.
You're not alone. A while back I was curious and looked at the sticker prices for the new models of the cars I own (both bought used in great condition) and I was completely horrified.

I don't have an SRT, and I'll freely admit that I'm probably not in the target market for most mods, but I did consider the Grand Cherokee SRT8 a while back when I was looking at getting a fun car as my daily driver. Part of the reason I decided against it was the same thing people have raised here: new ones were more than I wanted to spend on a single car (especially with the service you get at most Chrysler dealerships), and even a pretty-new used one was still quite a lot of money. I could have afforded one if I'd wanted, but that's because I think carefully about where I put my hard-earned cash. Any aftermarket gear would have faced the same tough evaluation in my head, compounded by having spent so much to get the base vehicle.

I think demand may grow over the next few years. More second-gen SRTs should start showing up on the used market at lower prices. You'll have a combination of people with more left to spend and people more willing to modify because it's not quite so new.
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Old 03-28-2014, 04:04 PM
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Re: little disappointment with my Jeep SRT family

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I think demand may grow over the next few years. More second-gen SRTs should start showing up on the used market at lower prices. You'll have a combination of people with more left to spend and people more willing to modify because it's not quite so new.
Without a doubt.

Us second hand SRT jeep owners are folks that are very excited to get into one. I think that as more 2nd hand jeeps start showing up....more folks will be looking at modding them. I think back to the GTO but in a different way. At first they were not selling so well. The aftermath was guys would buy up the used and lower priced ones and became maniacs with modifying them.

That may not be as good of an example but I hope you get what I am trying to say.

The secondary market for the WK2 will in my belief be more promising.


Another point, again taking nothing away from the GT exhaust because it truly is a work of art. Sometimes folks dont want art. Sometimes guys just want something nice that is attainable. I would LOVE with everything in me to have my brand new beast with a GT exhaust and long tubes. Wow, that would be nice but I would be so apprehensive about actually enjoying them.

I think back to my days with my 97 GMC jimmy and my 2003 Blazer extreme. Yeah....back when I was young and the cost of the suv was not so scary. I Modded the absolute crap out of both those!! I mean I cut, grinded, and fiberglassed everything and had such a grand time doing it! I truly enjoyed those the most of any of the cars I have ever owned. I started getting the cold feet as I started buying more expensive rides. Dont get me wrong, I modded my Mercedes E320 and my srt jeep, but it was crazy scary for me to cut into them like I did the Jimmy and Blaze X. I completely removed and rebuilt from scratch the entire suspensions of both those. I was young and had a great time.

This srt that will soon be part of the family will be the grown up, responsible, and somewhat more mature type of fun car for me.

God! Thinking about it, I spent many thousands on modding in my younger days!! If only I could go back. I would start by forcing my younger self to stock up on ROGAINE!!

I sure do miss the good old days

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As far as performance it boils down to the locked tuning. Chrysler killed a few good years of the ability to come up with better ideas and testing. The other brands allow you to do what you want. Even then, tuning still isn't allowed to touch some critical areas required for bigger things like forced induction. This is limiting the SRT performance parts as a whole, and leads to monopolies.
This locked tuning has been the cause for me! I've been waiting for this to be resolved then I will start various modifications! If the parts are become available!!

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Old 03-29-2014, 08:29 PM
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All comments are fair. This is a pricy ride and comes well stocked. I had a 335xi and an '06 GTO. Both of them had a lot more options for tuning, and mods, but didn't come near as perfect as the SRT did on day 1. For the Jeep... The CAI, catch can, lowering springs, exhaust, TB, rims, all seem to be popular, body stuff not as much, so I think there may be more mods than we think. No doubt we need a mopar approved supercharger and tune!

Do we know the production numbers on each year since '12? I mean if they only make 2500 or so a year (complete guess)... Figure 10-20% would do more than 1 mod and maybe another 10% do 1 thing. So maybe the addressable market for our mod vendors is only 500 owners a year... So using some horseback math the market size is 500bucks a year at 500 owners, is $250k (average of averages) ... Again a complete guess, but it may not be a function of lack of mod interest, just a small market.

If MOPAR would add some approved mods, that may greatly increase the mod bug by others and would give vendors another source of revenue.

Just my <$0.02, from a finance guy point of view.
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Just out of curiosity, why lock the tuning of any car?
Probably to avoid warranty issues... Not sure
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Re: little disappointment with my Jeep SRT family

Sorry, I've been crazy busy with school and work and why I haven't been active here since the new year....

Here is my perspective. Like many have mentioned, the price point of the Jeep has but it in a different class. When the Gen1 came out they were $45k at the highest, and now used they can be had for the low $20s. Ours are hitting $75k and $49k used. Thats still a lot of money to be had but I agree you are getting more SRT from the Gen2 than the Gen1. Heated steering, vented seats, panoramic sunroof, active suspension... from the factory. And these features are not cheap add ons that were thrown on for sh!ts and giggles as an after thought. It took Jeep an additional year after they released the WK2 to bring out the SRT.

What mods are popular with the WK1 crowd... tuning, exhaust, cosmetics, suspension, brake pads/rotors, and engine upgrades. To me, the huge glaring red flag here is the tuning. We have bandaids, Arrington and Diablo are having to find work arounds for their products to work. This is apparent because of all the tuning issues both companies have had and still have. We know the motor has more in it, SRT has even stated so. In development, the 392 made more than 500hp but the torque dropped. Look how many of us have Eibach and Black Ops/Road Magnet drops. Brake pads are swapped frequently, rotors not as much though I am looking forward to the light weight rotors Black Ops has. Exhaust has plenty of options to choose from.

And cosmetic is touchy. Aaron and Scott hit the nail on the head (where else would you hit it...) the styling of the hood is not the same in the rest of the WK2 lineup like what was found in the WK1. I want the CF step from Black Ops... but I can't get it because of quality issues or other problems in the manufacturing process (understandable and I appreciate someone who stands for quality products) but that transitions into the last part. The quality of said parts.

I refuse to half ass hack my jeep to install a slip on exhaust. I paid $1800 for the Corsa that to me looked like sh!t (though I loved the black tips). I have not seen the AR or Kooks exhaust in person to comment on the quality but they appear to be nice products that appear cosmetically better than Corsa. Does the GT Haus warrant a $3k price tag... no. Do I feel I got a quality product that I am happy with, very much so. Black Ops front lip/hood and GT Haus exhaust are the ONLY products I feel are quality enough for our SRTs. This is not bashing other venders because Chris (Twin Turbo Creations) and Skip/Nate (Demon Performance) have built top quality FI kits and I will be extremely happy to eventually own one of Chris' creations. Until tuning becomes more consistent, I'm avoiding doing any major mods to the motor.
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