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Old 02-08-2014, 05:14 PM
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My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

I did the install yesterday adding:

BWoody 4" TRUE Ram air CAI (link)

BWoody Jeep SRT-8 Sway Bar Links (link)

TheFastMan oversized 87mm Throttlebody (link)

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With the Bwoody I also added the dry charger option. before this I had no idea what that was. I looked for photos, couldn't find one. So for those int he same boat.. it's basically a perforated sleeve for lack of wording. Would I buy again? Sure if it keeps water out as it's supposed to.



I went with their kit for the washer set up, I'll most likely change this later. It was easy to do though, but like others.. it leaked a little where the pump connects.. Silicon gel = happiness.

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Dirty... so there's something to do.

First impressions: We have snow right now on the ground so I can't step into it of course, but the areas of dry road, I noticed a difference in throttle response for sure. Not sure if that's thefastman tb, or the bwoody or both. My guess is both.

I didn't notice a major sound difference like others had said, but that's most likely because of the rumble of the GT Haus. I can hear the bwoody.. sounds like a baby jet engine, but again, the GT Haus simply grabs my attention.

The sway bar links are. amazing.

At first I thought.. come on.. $200 mod? How can these do anything other than be red under my srt? The sway bar I was always told is the key to your body roll/flex. Then Mike at bwoody pointed out - how does your sway bar connect? (sway bar links) - if these are smaller, or thin, they become your weakest point, and they twist/torque etc so you get a little body roll there.

From their site:
Well here they are as promised finally a suspension upgrade for the standard 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8, factory swaybar links are a weak 3/8 inch diameter in the rear and 1/2 inch diameter in the front, Ours are a whopping 7/8 inch diameter in the front and 7/8 inch diameter in the rear and custom energy suspension bushings we used to improve handling even more. Our sway bar links are nearly double the the size of the oem links!! The weakest link of the Jeep Grand Cherokee's suspension is the sway bar links due to the lack of diameter and lack of strength, significant improvments in handling were felt on the test vehicle. Adding these to your vehicle will make your SRT-8 Jeep Grand Cherokee handle like it should!! All Hardware is included. These are a great uprade to the Independant front rear suspension. Note: Requires the use of a non-washable synthetis grease (such as a marine grade or a never seize lubrication on the faces of the bushings for increased life of the bushings)
So I figured.. meh, $200.. let's try them...

here's stock -



bwoody -




the red parts on the table I snapped are the same piece.. there are two pieces for each wheel, let's call them A and B, Above I pictures B and B not realized it because I hadn't unpacked everything initially upon delivery.

Mike told me before getting them installed, get up to 50-60-70 range on a two lane with nobody around and change lanes rather abruptly so you see the SRT's stock body roll. Then do it again after getting these installed.

there is a difference for damn sure. For $200? these might just be the best mod bang for the buck wise. I wish I'd done these earlier to be honest.

My SRT isn't dropped, but it handles better than before, it's more responsive in corners, more flat if that makes sense. Body roll is almost gone.

So all in all, would I do these again? Hell yes. The bwoody had been dyno'd by others to be adding 25hp and 40lb torque. I didn't dyno so I can't say yes or no to that but it does seem to have more power to it now.. so who knows.

I'm happy, that's all I know.
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

Very nice set-up with great pics. I too wanted to see the dry-charger set-up. Thank you!
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

very nice except for the bwoody end links. they do help but are designed COMPLETELY wrong! Look at your pic...the bolt goes through the bushing at an angle.....that bushing or the welds WILL FAIL. Ive had two 12-14 owners come to me in the last bit with failed endlinks. Blackops posted some pics a couple days ago of another. They are very much an upgrade and help but almost all of them will probably fail.
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

If they really wanted these swaybar links done correctly, they would have used a rosejoint, not rubber bushes. The OEM is a balljoint setup, so the replacement should be that as a minimum.
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very nice except for the bwoody end links. they do help but are designed COMPLETELY wrong! Look at your pic...the bolt goes through the bushing at an angle.....that bushing or the welds WILL FAIL. Ive had two 12-14 owners come to me in the last bit with failed endlinks. Blackops posted some pics a couple days ago of another. They are very much an upgrade and help but almost all of them will probably fail.
I wonder who could possibly design a better end link.... any ideas CHAD?
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

Well shit, Scott - I hope you're wrong on this one. I saw it first hand, it looks like it's angled in that pic but the bolt is on the same angle the original one was. I'm not saying others haven't had issues, you say you've heard things, I trust that's the case.

I just hope it's not the case here.
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

it may be at the same angle as the oem...but the oem endlink has the rubber adjustable joint. Hold on...Ill find the pic of the failed endlink.
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Good side you can see the bolt is off center and stressed of the end.
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

Well damn.

Mike @ bwoody is getting a phone call. I read others that had issues after 2-3 months. I read of others with no issues after a year.. so I wonder what the difference is. I wonder if they improved the product any bushings wise.
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

Just noticed in the pic, the washer on the top bolt is not against the bushing it's on the opposite side with the nut... Not saying that helped as mine is starting but washer should be against the bushing
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

I read if you call Mike he will send you larger washers, that go over the bushing entirely so if the bushing gives way to the bolt, the bolt won't go in or through because of the washer or something.. as to why these aren't part of the kit if this is an issue, not sure.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...?Product=AN970 is the place that sells the washers they use according to the other thread in JG I saw for this on wk1's
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Re: My Bwoody/Fastman Upgrades

While I do not have this product installed, but would like to when I get my SRT, below is an image of a Rosejoint that I feel should be used in this type of application. A rosejoint will deliver the same type of angles as the OEM, but will be far stiffer and result in better torsional rigidity than OEM.
I converted my racecar to Rosejoints and the difference was remarkable in comparison to the OEM.



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