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Re: NEW staggered replicas for 2012+

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Sorry....there's a thread here where member "svenskajeepguy" weighed both...and the replicas were 2 pounds lighter....iirc.
Again - no chance...no way...no how....

This is simply mis-information being passed around.

If you work in metals - then you should know.

I asked you about this in a previous thread and called the distributor (only to find out the wheels are heavier - MUCH HEAVIER) I remember because he got all irritated with me and asked if I was going racing or something and why did I need to know the weights...

Irritating about the misinformation being thrown about here - unsprung weight is about the worst thing you can do to your vehicle.

Cast wheels in a performance vehicle that weighs as much as the Jeep...dangerous to say the least.


Here is the thread - you are telling me that the cast version saves 4lbs per wheel....(this was the reason I called the repro place)

http://jeepgarage.org/showthread.php?t=44743&page=2

I would be more likley to believe you telling me water is not wet....
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Re: NEW staggered replicas for 2012+

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Sorry....there's a thread here where member "svenskajeepguy" weighed both...and the replicas were 2 pounds lighter....iirc.
Of course they are lighter, they took a forged wheel and cast a copy.

Here's where I have a problem, this statement and the one above where you claim, as a metallurgist, that cast and forged have the same properties. Two quantities of the same Or similar alloy cannot have the same strength and be as much as 10% different in weight.

Now, can a cast wheel be as strong as a forged wheel? Sure but the wheel's design, shape and process used to cast and treat the metal all weigh into that. Porsche has been designing lightweight cast wheels for decades that are as strong as a quality forged wheel but their shape, amount and location of the metal are all calculated to produce the desired strength and weight. When they go racing they ditch the cast production wheels and substitute a much lighter forged wheel.

I will stand by my assertion that a forged wheel is stronger than an identical copy made from a casting. Even if the copy is produced using a high pressure casting method (which most Chinese replicas aren't)

And as for where the material comes from, that's irrelevant. It's the process and quality control that matters and unless things have changed Quality and Chinese knock off manufacturing don't usually go hand in hand.
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never claimed they have the same properties and I was just passing on the info posted by svenskajeepguy. No idea why he would lie and what his hidden agenda would be? FWIW...the cast replicas are proven. Theyve been used in road racing, at drag strips etc.
But yes...there is difference in chinese aluminum and US domestic aluminum. NONE of my customers want chinese aluminum and your best wheel manufacturers dont either. Forged aluminum is just aluminum that is subjected to intense heat and pressure to remove the inconsistencies. But it also depends on the grade of billet, alloy used and the process. Now...cast wheels have a new process called Fusion that uses several alloys on different parts of the wheel. Harder alloys high in Mg for the structure and softer alloys for the finish and working surfaces. Theres also a pressurized casting sytem being used now in almost ALL cast wheel facilities that removes the porosity of past wheels.....thats what leads to inconsistency in cast wheels of the PAST.
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Re: NEW staggered replicas for 2012+

I like how the 2 guys disagreeing with the OP are contradicting each other too both 100% sure of themselves... so there is not one similar view point on this thread other than the 1 gen reps have been sold to high hell with alot of satisified customers. Thats great you can afford a 70k dollar vehicle and not batt an eye at another 7k in wheels and tires... the average user cannot. The reps have a proven track record on the forum and serve their purpose quite well.
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Pdawger is right...I talked to doug years ago about the 20" replicas and he told me they were about 4 pounds heavier...IIRC. I was just posting what another member posted....couldnt remember how much difference he posted.
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Re: NEW staggered replicas for 2012+

I saw these yesterday but had concerns being as they were not OEM wheels, but also noticed they are "Hyper Black". Are the standard SRT wheels considered Hyper Black as well?
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Re: NEW staggered replicas for 2012+

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never claimed they have the same properties and I was just passing on the info posted by svenskajeepguy. No idea why he would lie and what his hidden agenda would be? FWIW...the cast replicas are proven. Theyve been used in road racing, at drag strips etc.
But yes...there is difference in chinese aluminum and US domestic aluminum. NONE of my customers want chinese aluminum and your best wheel manufacturers dont either. Forged aluminum is just aluminum that is subjected to intense heat and pressure to remove the inconsistencies. But it also depends on the grade of billet, alloy used and the process. Now...cast wheels have a new process called Fusion that uses several alloys on different parts of the wheel. Harder alloys high in Mg for the structure and softer alloys for the finish and working surfaces. Theres also a pressurized casting sytem being used now in almost ALL cast wheel facilities that removes the porosity of past wheels.....thats what leads to inconsistency in cast wheels of the PAST.
I understand all of that but I was referring to Chinese raw materials, not finished product. I also doubt these $250 wheels are made using the new processes you describe, their price simply doesn't allow for that level of quality in materials or process.

I don't know why we are getting all worked up over this, I doubt anyone with an SRT would swap out their factory wheels for these so it's a moot point. On a non-SRT jeep these will certainly be fine and if I owned a Laredo and wanted a sharper look these would be on my short list.

I keep posting because I will not accept these are as good as the factory wheels and I'm 100% sure the engineers at SRT would agree.

Another thing that bothers me is they duplicated the SRT lettering on the wheels. That makes them an illegal copy and Jeep has every right to sue and demand they all be destroyed. The really bad thing here is down the road someone is going to pass some of these off as the real thing and that is criminal.
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