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RM - mids and camber/control arms

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#1 ·
All:

Had my eibach's replaced with the RM mid-level springs today - all went well - but in doing the alignment - they can't get the rear camber in spec Has anyone else had this issue? They say they are all the way out and still not in spec. I have stock wheels and tires (albiet Parada Spec-X)

The front is not bad - off a little on one side

I see Blackops has some rear control arms ... will those work? I guess I need the 1.5" drop ones vs. the oem to 1.5" drop - thanks

Are there front control arms available for these drops? Anyone have any guidance or ideas - In reading the forum, I didn't see anyone else say they had to swap out the rear control arms...
 
#3 · (Edited)
This is the skinny on the Mids and this is what I have heard and seen NOT my opinion.

About 700 sets of Mids sold
About 12-14 people can not come back into OEM Specs with the Mids.

ISSUES
#1. I have seen old Jeeps 05-10 loaded into the machines trying to align the 2012+
#2. I have gotten calls from shops saying their is no adjustments for the rear LOL.
(This ^ one is the best I typically tell these shops to put the owner of the jeep on the phone right away and tell them "Do not let them touch your truck")
#3. Both sides are different from the OEM spec and one side in and one side out .001-.003 very minor.
#4. Sensors broken and codes going off
#5. installed wrong (BackwardsNot the case here just mentioning it)

I always tell people to go someplace else if they can't come back into spec since 99% of the time the Mids do end up coming back into factory spec.

It's the shops that have been doing alignments for 30 years that can not get these trucks aligned.

With these stats less than 1% not coming back into alignment I do not recommend the Arms for the Mids.

You should drop the truck drive for 2 week min and 4 weeks better so they can settle in before getting an alignment.

The Extremes Need Arms and Links to bring the Swey bar back to OEM position.

The front Upper control arms are coming right after the strut tower bar.


lillyjas What are you out?
Email me your alignment sheet I'm sure I can help :)
 
#4 ·
i also have the RM mids and the front went back to spec without issue. the rears are slightly out though... i talked to scott and he mentioned that his rears were slightly out... i believe i was out on the rears like .2 or .02 something like that... dont have the papers infront of me but it wasnt severe...
 
#6 ·
Thanks all... I did figure I would take back in after a month and see how it goes

I have my spec sheet and will send via email Chad, but it is off by .3 or more and you can see the visible inward tilt on them... The shop is an older shop but they have a newer machine and I would think could handle this but maybe not

With that said the truck rides GREAT with these much smoother over the crap michigan roads and I am a fan...

Only bad part when you open the tailgate I bump my head not bad but it is lower for sure




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#8 ·
I am looking at getting these installed when I get home, Chad do you have a network of shops or what types of shops to stay away from? I don't know of any high performance shops in my area and I fear taking it to your run of the mill type of shop. Thanks in advance or anyone in MN could chime in I would appreciate it. Thank you.
 
#9 ·
had mine recently installed, front came back into spec , rear driver side out .2, rear passenger out .5... With max adjustment.... Is this not acceptable?


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#11 ·
Thanks for the reply... Will see how tires wear, if im not happy with it will be purchasing rear control arms from you... I may just do that and endlinks at same time anyway....


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#12 ·
I had the rear control arms put on yesterday - I already had the endlinks so now the full package - the rear camber can right back into spec

The shop was highly impressed with the rear control arms - said they had never seen such good work and adjustability -

Worth the investment IMHO
 
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So I have the mid level drop. Running 305/35/22 tires. I waited about 2 weeks to make sure the springs settled properly before alignment but I still notice a lot of rear camber on the back. I did the alignment at the dealership and they told me they got it as close to "stock" as possible. But I still notice camber. Anyone else having this issue? I really don't want to burn through these tires too fast. Thinking maybe I should order the control arm and links.
 
#15 ·
Your gonna need the arms, mid drop in the rear the highest my camber would get is -1.8 and was maxed out. With the arms I'm at -.5 so well worth the investment, not only does it save your tires it looks better as the tires are not tucked so far in like all the imports I see running around
 
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Second that going to need the arms ... I tried twice on alignment ... The arms made the camber back to spec


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i couldnt agree more with the above 2 posts... order the arms from blackops... i wish i did... at this point im not going to though cause im not sure how much longer i will have this thing for.

even the other day my mom was following behind me and she said your back wheels look weird haha... get the arms from blackops... you cant go wrong!
 
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Stock specs are not 0 degrees. They are .8 to -1.8...so you are really only .5 and .7 off which is nothing. ALL Jeep SRT's have a little camber built into them oem for better handling.

My specs on rear after alignment are a follows.... -2.0 driver side and -2.0 passenger side.
 
#21 ·
You will kill the inside of your tires with those numbers, yes it is almost within spec but you would have to throw these rigs around a lot in order to make your tires wear even. If you don't do autocross or track it at all I'd get the arms to save your tires
 
#23 ·
I've driving on RM mids for about 13000 miles, front was back into specs but rear was maxed out and out of spec after alignment which was done a month after springs were installed. Took a good look at tread and no surprise, inner wear was present but to my surprise fronts were more worn. Anybody see this before? Or know What's happened?
 
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Just to repeat. My dealership had their Viper (SRT) techs do my alignment. (I have eibach). They told me that OEM SRT Jeeps come in with -2.0 to -2.2 front and -1.4 rear.

The could have gone more positive on the front but I told them to keep me at stock camber. It's the cost to floss!
 
#26 ·
That's correct and a good move :thumbsup:

See for me the OEM is out for a reason this is not a VW or a Buick it's a performance vehicle and should have Camber!! A lot are obsessed with all 0's it's not correct and should NOT be achieved JMO!

@SRTBLK your not out much at all in fact almost right at what it comes with from the factory looks good!

We just did a 2014 no Drop with 15k on the odometer and the inner tire wear was heavy but expected!
 
#25 ·
Text Receipt


Here is my alignment sheet, based on this I would expect more wear on my rears, cords are visible on both front tires but not the rears.


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#27 ·
Thanks for the clarification....when I think about it after lowering I have been pushing it more especially when cornering....because it just handles so much better lowered!


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#28 ·
Chad,
Any idea when front control arms will be ready?


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#31 ·
thats a good idea, had mine realigned after driving on lowered springs for a week, about three months ago. as you can see above got a lot of inner front tire wear. just for curiousity, got it realigned again today, toe was negative out of spec in front and this explains why my fronts were so worn compared to the rears. as a bonus, after this realignment, my rear is closer to spec than before.
 
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Chad, I lowered mine about 3 months ago with a little rub on heavy bumps. I went with eibach with the least amount of drop which was 0.9 in the front & 0.8 in the rear. I'm rubbing on the front passager side on the big bumps. I'm also running 22" as well.

Could it be my shock is shot or is it a ft. control arm thing?
 
#36 ·
Hard to Say I don't do a lt of the Eibach stuff so as far as feedback from customers all I have is "get these off my truck" LOL

I may have someting for you soon you can try the shocks but IMO If I remember the wheels I think it's the offset like I had mentioned to Steve this is wh he never lowered it have you asked him?
 
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