Go Back   Jeep Garage - Jeep Forum > Jeep Platform Discussion > Grand Cherokee SRT - WK2

Join Jeep Garage Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
  #1  
Old 06-23-2012, 11:06 PM
Overspin's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2012 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: West Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 68
Thanks: 0
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 488591
Overspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond repute
Angry Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

Boy, am I pissed at Car & Driver Mag. this month.
Just one day after I closed the deal on my new SRT8, I opened the newly mailed August 2012 issue, and find a comparo called "Heavenly Heathens". I'm sure many of you will read it, so I'll spare you the messiest details. But some things do bear repeating, so here goes.

In this comparo, C&D tests the SRT8 against the M-B ML63 AMG, the BMW X5M and the Porsche Cayenne Turbo. Priced in that order, from low to high. The BMW wins, and that doesn't bother me so much, my wife drives a 2011 BMW 335i Coupe and it is simply wonderful. Everything is great, switchgear, steering, brakes, suspension. If the X5M is a similar performer, it deserves to win.

What pisses me off, is how much they slag the SRT8. Oh, they start their tirade admitting it might not be fair, after all the Jeep is $34,160 cheaper than the as-tested price of the eventual winning BMW, but then they quickly dispell that and claim "the frugality doesn't overcome a battery of behavioral faults"... C&D's words.

So, here's how the SRT8 actually compared in the tests.....
0-60 mph....within 0.5 to 1.0 seconds
1/4 mile......within 0.7 to 1.2 seconds (13.7 & 103 vs. 12.5 & 113 fastest)
Skidpad.......within 0.01 to 0.06 G's !!!
Slalom.........1.4 seconds faster than ML 63 AMG..tied second place X5M
..within 0.3 seconds of Porsche
700 miles 14 mpg.....beat ML 63 AMG by one..tied X5M
..one less mpg than Porsche
70-0 Braking......SRT8..163 feet
..ML 63 AMG...............164 feet
..Porsche Turbo...........166 feet
..BMW X5M.................172 feet
...and the Porsche was equipped with optional ceramic composite brakes at a cost of $8840 USD. I kid you not.

One praise they had for the SRT8....."it sounds as glorious as a Corvette".

C&D Summary for SRT8.....Shy on sophistication, long on hot-roddishness.

Well, I guess so! Isn't hot-roddishness what you buy a performance SUV for? And that braking nonsense......if they all had to stop from 70 in a row with the SRT8 at the back, it's stock Brembos would be settling it serenely on it's Bilsteins, while the BMW buried itself Cat. converter deep into the Porsche (with it's 9 grand special ceramic brakes). Hahahahaha!

With all this new information, I then went to each vehicle's website and did a "Build and Price". I used the same criteria for fees, taxes, green levy, license, fuel, admin, PDI and then took the same after-tax discount percentage that I got from my Jeep dealer, (1% yippee) from each.

Now you all know what you paid for your SRT8, and the difference among all of us is probably a few thousand dollars either side of 75 large. Compared to what I actually paid for my new ride, here are the results of my pricing exercise.....
ML 63 AMG .........$ 43,696 more
BMW X5M............$ 49,524 more
Porsche Turbo......$ 99,650 more!!! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

Give me two SRT8's and a couple of trips to Italy any day.
Wow.....now I feel better!!!!
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Overspin For This Useful Post:
  #2  
Old 06-24-2012, 12:07 AM
Scottina06's Avatar
JeepGarage Founder
My Jeep: 2014 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Berea, Kentucky
Posts: 49,002
Thanks: 856
Thanked 907 Times in 653 Posts
Rep Power: 7717609
Scottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond reputeScottina06 has a reputation beyond repute
Garage
Nice post!
__________________

__________________
SCOTT
The HARDER you work...the LUCKIER you are!
2014 REDLINE red Jeep SRT "BLOODIED Edition" 1 of 1
Previous JEEP rides-
2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-deep cherry
2013 JKU 10th anniversary-white
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo-inferno red



Twitter-The_Jeep_Guy
Instagram-thejeep_guy

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-24-2012, 01:42 AM
rvtifer's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kosovo
Posts: 593
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Rep Power: 2442
rvtifer has a reputation beyond reputervtifer has a reputation beyond reputervtifer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

Always nice to put things in perspective. I guess that value and price are actually one and the same in this round up.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-24-2012, 03:57 AM
rockeR32's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2012 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: ME
Posts: 44
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 1093
rockeR32 is on a distinguished road
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

the endless comparos, the endless timesheets, the endless runs/slaloms/break-stops/0-60s/price/options, and on and on and on... the debate has been raging for as long as i can remember now.

the best thing of all, even with the significant (read ridiculously huge) differences in HP/torque/transmission/MSRP, Jeep SRT8 still continues to be compared with the likes of Cayenne Turbo, X5M/X6M, ML63 AMG, Range Rover Sport SC! Just the idea of comparing this American muscle-monster of an SUV with those legendary machines is unbelievable. They keep setting this beast amongst those legends when there's not really any comparison. Up the HP/torque on SRT8 to 550+ and then set them loose!

i recall reading another old comparo (at C&D) between the older SRT8/X5M/Cayenne T/RR SC; the SRT8 ranked 3rd overall.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests


no matter what, i will always find the comparison grossly misleading. I think with these specs, the SRT8 still kicks ass in the face of those German uber-SUVs and looks awesomely stunning while doing so!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-24-2012, 06:06 AM
rockeR32's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2012 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: ME
Posts: 44
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 1093
rockeR32 is on a distinguished road
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

did i mention that ML63 looks like a kitten in comparison? a furry lil fluff-bunny. seriously.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-24-2012, 07:42 AM
Overspin's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2012 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: West Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 68
Thanks: 0
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 488591
Overspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

Sometimes I wonder what these testers are having for lunch. Aren't these the same guys who complained for decades about American cars that go fast, but are over-priced and can't turn or stop? Here they get their hands on a relative bargain that could blow the doors off any of the similarly priced (read.. base) models from Europe, and they still can't find any virtues.

Here's the comparo I would like to see:

All prices Canadian base price:
SRT8.....................$55,395
Cayenne (300 HP)....$56,600
ML 350.................. $57,900
BMW XDR 35i...........$61,800

I'm thinking the Jeep would blast past all these base models in any test, and would still be the lowest price.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-24-2012, 11:57 AM
Saudi.SRT8's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 147
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts
Rep Power: 1050
Saudi.SRT8 is a name known to all
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

so with the porsche Turbo u pay 100k more ?


Ummmm i'll take a Jeep Srt8 & a brand new (991) 2012 911 carrera (msrp 98k)

or

Jeep Srt8 & Challenger SRT8 & 300c SRT8 ... and i'm going to have some $$$ to pay for a vacation. LOL
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-24-2012, 03:57 PM
Overspin's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2012 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: West Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 68
Thanks: 0
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 488591
Overspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

Right on Saudi.SRT8, I like your second alternative!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-24-2012, 04:30 PM
stashgto's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2008 3.7L WK
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Staten Island N.Y.
Posts: 719
Thanks: 0
Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts
Rep Power: 109959
stashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

So the cheapest one compared to it is over $40,000 more !!!!!!!!!!, and one is $100,000 more !!!!!!!!!!! Besides the price some of those are limited editions anyway. So how about they compare a SRT8 done by someone like Hennessy for an equal comparison.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-24-2012, 05:16 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 32
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 1177
Dave DC is on a distinguished road
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

13.7?! thats terrible. weird.
__________________
06 Black GCSRT8
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-24-2012, 09:32 PM
Overspin's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2012 6.4L SRT8 WK2
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: West Niagara, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 68
Thanks: 0
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 488591
Overspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond reputeOverspin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

Quote:
Originally Posted by stashgto View Post
So the cheapest one compared to it is over $40,000 more !!!!!!!!!!, and one is $100,000 more !!!!!!!!!!! Besides the price some of those are limited editions anyway. So how about they compare a SRT8 done by someone like Hennessy for an equal comparison.
Yes, the Hennessy would be a good comparison, given that it has the horsepower and other upgrades and is in the same price range.

BTW, none of the prices were based on limited editions for the Euro group. I just optioned them in a build and price as closely as I could to the SRT8, using the same models tested by C&D. There are many more expensive options that could have been piled on.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-25-2012, 03:10 PM
stashgto's Avatar
Member
My Jeep: 2008 3.7L WK
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Staten Island N.Y.
Posts: 719
Thanks: 0
Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts
Rep Power: 109959
stashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond reputestashgto has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Sit back, grab a cool drink, this is gonna be a long post...

Thanks for that Overspin I was just steaming, and reading too fast. I still think some of those models are limited by price if nothing else. I'm very frugal as you can maybe tell since I purposely brought the 08 Laredo. I have considered buying a SRT8, but wouldn't think about one of those others. Dollars to dollars I'd take the SRT is better anyway, and wait until one of those things breaks-lol.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Placed my order!! It's gonna be a long 8 weeks!! Jdsmitty10 Grand Cherokee - WK2 - 53 05-08-2012 11:47 AM
It's been too long. back with some pics =) SHARKEY Members Rides 17 04-13-2012 02:48 AM
why does my driver srt seat sit higher? just4myjeep Troubleshooting/Problems 24 03-12-2012 04:52 PM
A Pillar Grab Handles JeepGuy026 Interior/Exterior/Visual 2 12-07-2011 04:14 PM
Back from a long trip...Some Photos Nbtstatic Members Rides-Showoff 28 01-04-2011 09:54 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 - JeepGarage.Org
The Jeep Grand Cherokee Owners Community